Return-Path: <nick@ethereum.org> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54D79BCA for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 13:25:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wr0-f172.google.com (mail-wr0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 754BCE2 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 13:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f172.google.com with SMTP id q97so6169922wrb.2 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 06:25:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ethereum.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=k/qyqF2O1v9+6IGbyHhnjuRogBVKiOEbmvFJFyhcciE=; b=VBFrufMa2fNlCsZQHc+P0x5VgO8K9kH0MaXGG6JuUsv+zf/cyezqvzYQYXzlssr8J4 kT5IAAIitS9ermLOQ7qpo+pg613UUdpOeeasLoV07zwaLG7YlF1eZnVE5yhoEEO5J3WP yQh1G0bhg7PTILExdvdgPRy78MLiC6M1vIgws= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=k/qyqF2O1v9+6IGbyHhnjuRogBVKiOEbmvFJFyhcciE=; b=LCD84i7t6PmVI7PtFz7/q2bu3xJwpSDUypFUCg+IrfRTTsgo9IlFN4y45Iq/spuyzi KVhotuBrNy/tRddtSsQjexewqEW8PU+5SKpj2i2J3KFR0dC2zMmw8MKCmvmcmnm45HVV s5xlmQr/ODYYgNEuq0i21Jh5jiwq+Ep4wVmeBPVRYycnsSnz3tcQkuD7tqLCzCeOlUTu oNSCvjz5IOxrzDvGEuLe0Wyd73RpfPnrvgg16w+T5S6gzgR90XKIUyLK9mvTTU0Zv+hd iPNt9BkiFM9GWQXs8m3QLIGjK9LBM2uEAF4XfHxuLf3JGK8jRnul0ymmfu8KtCkKBIYo gi4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcC5b2CGHWiPR8qiVhMPKhnEmZi7kgLqplAXt92je329LZybo+e5 Rb8afLb4KZrNyp2EsO6BrCJW2QHfRHeT X-Received: by 10.223.154.233 with SMTP id a96mr20983971wrc.139.1496841946098; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 06:25:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <31833011-7179-49D1-A07E-8FD9556C4534@taoeffect.com> <CAAS2fgSU+UtbJSSAhf0-Sd0GH-RGnZmv+WHWtFV2zHFW2q6_yg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAAS2fgSU+UtbJSSAhf0-Sd0GH-RGnZmv+WHWtFV2zHFW2q6_yg@mail.gmail.com> From: Nick Johnson <nick@ethereum.org> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:25:35 +0000 Message-ID: <CAFz7pMuQTdUBmOOB7aPrgkDNZvQTn_jfantfLQQVWoerD=D2Kg@mail.gmail.com> To: Gregory Maxwell <greg@xiph.org>, Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f4eb27b9d4d05515eacb4" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:31:34 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Replay attacks make BIP148 and BIP149 untennable X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:25:48 -0000 --f403045f4eb27b9d4d05515eacb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev > <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > I believe the severity of replay attacks is going unvoiced and is not > > understood within the bitcoin community because of their lack of > experience > > with them. > > Please don't insult our community-- the issues with replay were > pointed out by us to Ethereum in advance and were cited specifically > in prior hardfork discussions long before Ethereum started editing > their ledger for the economic benefit of its centralized > administrators. Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited. -Nick Johnson --f403045f4eb27b9d4d05515eacb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jun 7,= 2017 at 12:02 AM Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bit= coin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</= a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 = 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 a= t 10:39 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev<br> <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_bla= nk">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br> > I believe the severity of replay attacks is going unvoiced and is not<= br> > understood within the bitcoin community because of their lack of exper= ience<br> > with them.<br> <br> Please don't insult our community-- the issues with replay were<br> pointed out by us to Ethereum in advance and were cited specifically<br> in prior hardfork discussions long before Ethereum started editing<br> their ledger for the economic benefit of its centralized<br> administrators.</blockquote><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div>Please don't sp= read misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard fork, it's a si= mple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited.</div><div><br></div><div= >-Nick Johnson</div></div></div> --f403045f4eb27b9d4d05515eacb4--