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See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (decker.christian[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1R1xCC-0005KI-9A Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Alert System X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 09:16:26 -0000 --00248c0ef25e40d4bd04ac7ea1b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resending to mailing list as I replied directly... On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Christian Decker < decker.christian@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Will <will@phase.net> wrote: > > >> In fact, I think the alert system should relay (note, NOT display) > >messages > >> *regardless of the key used*, so it isn't yet another "our client > >gets > >> special > >> status" thing, and can be used for other clients as well. > >> > >> > >> Be careful though, if you relay everything, it suddenly *does* have > >DDoS > >potential... > > > >no more than other messages such as transactions. > Only verified and valid trandactions are forwarded which is desired as it > costs the sender a fee if he attempts to spam, messages have no such > penalty. > > > >>Maybe require a proof-of-work then? > > > >kind of defeats the purpose of the alert if it takes a long time to > >issue > >one. > > > >I think leave the alert in, but relay alert messages even if they don't > >use > >the correct key. This means that if we later decide to add new keys to > >the > >alert root trust then older clients will still relay these. > > > >my .02btc > > > >Will > I'm for keeping it in there as well, maybe even extend it with a mechanism > to sign other certificates giving alternative client developers the ability > to issue their own alerts. Think ssl certificates... > > Regards, > Chris > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop > >What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market > >businesses > >from deploying virtual desktops? How do next-generation virtual > >desktops > >provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more > >affordable > >virtual desktop > >model. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/_______________________________________________ > >Bitcoin-development mailing list > >Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > --00248c0ef25e40d4bd04ac7ea1b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div class=3D"gmail_quote">Resending to mailing list as I replied directly.= ..<br>On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Christian Decker <span dir=3D"ltr">&= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:decker.christian@gmail.com">decker.christian@gmail.com= </a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im"><br> <br> Will <<a href=3D"mailto:will@phase.net">will@phase.net</a>> wrote:<br= > <br> >> In fact, I think the alert system should relay (note, NOT display)= <br> >messages<br> >> *regardless of the key used*, so it isn't yet another "ou= r client<br> >gets<br> >> special<br> >> status" thing, and can be used for other clients as well.<br> >><br> >><br> >> Be careful though, if you relay everything, it suddenly *does* hav= e<br> >DDoS<br> >potential...<br> ><br> >no more than other messages such as transactions.<br> </div>Only verified and valid trandactions are forwarded which is desired a= s it costs the sender a fee if he attempts to spam, messages have no such p= enalty.<br> <div class=3D"im">><br> >>Maybe require a proof-of-work then?<br> ><br> >kind of defeats the purpose of the alert if it takes a long time to<br> >issue<br> >one.<br> ><br> >I think leave the alert in, but relay alert messages even if they don&#= 39;t<br> >use<br> >the correct key. =A0This means that if we later decide to add new keys = to<br> >the<br> >alert root trust then older clients will still relay these.<br> ><br> >my .02btc<br> ><br> >Will<br> </div>I'm for keeping it in there as well, maybe even extend it with a = mechanism to sign other certificates giving alternative client developers t= he ability to issue their own alerts. Think ssl certificates...<br> <br> Regards,<br> Chris<br> <div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">>-------------------------------------= -----------------------------------------<br> >Doing More with Less: The Next Generation Virtual Desktop<br> >What are the key obstacles that have prevented many mid-market<br> >businesses<br> >from deploying virtual desktops? =A0 How do next-generation virtual<br> >desktops<br> >provide companies an easier-to-deploy, easier-to-manage and more<br> >affordable<br> >virtual desktop<br> >model.<a href=3D"http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/______= _________________________________________" target=3D"_blank">http://www.acc= elacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426474/_________________________________________= ______</a><br> >Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> ><a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-de= velopment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> ><a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-develop= ment" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoi= n-development</a><br> <br> </div></div><font color=3D"#888888">--<br> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.<br> </font></blockquote></div><br> --00248c0ef25e40d4bd04ac7ea1b6--