Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3BCE97 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2017 13:28:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-lf0-f43.google.com (mail-lf0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 100D11BB for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2017 13:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f43.google.com with SMTP id z78so38235698lff.0 for ; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 06:28:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9i7uVZ2485uhYYagsULnm/ksRBn5fa5C8vN2+emRYJA=; b=r7iZMNoQRTCDuxu7gh/7vIPMwLmN191v0MCYoiNp0K2fj2AuqFbjISPAZS42T/5ZBg pMmbI/lMPhSlACFDw4t2p4HyZ9Q9eH1oXg73V1QcVMb0LHiVAwNSfqFBH9tGzzLn3L6n 4ac4GokkbLmkDLDT+PHqiw39ed9y/jGbkrAU1e5kMHk2PZpD1uMWW+EW8OJQ9+NSUPXV K8TzduGT377CCN7BG16J3smCwyqHk6sL+/LypHgJd+1DUxvagqcdbe6SNB1dhcqCwq43 jFFxT8gvtvi9L4uCwc2rUuMaH6wadnpTJ82DrbxlLxyZc9iSIkoTnUDzO764PEgQG+z6 4hrQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9i7uVZ2485uhYYagsULnm/ksRBn5fa5C8vN2+emRYJA=; b=s7mz4uyaBum8gF2FQ4pY3eNtEVwiHDSXppTM9HSdWsz7Kg2bR3wxy9KEyloxarmDvG HeOFZJShAF/Y8D6W7NvYoxdJrBeRkd/ccForXg3Cj1wxtehOpKxcX5Yvf924+2J/w0rz 6bRJIyeAopBuAjdqNRRoZ1uPBszfZHP1CElpbnZSYOfNbJeZLhwgCz15QwJbMl1PXNzm htAaLYGFTqXR/tyc7KX/teA+BMj8kli+zzQMUtfwFDtJ/rHN5J2bpkgnf7EahjQa/Hr6 nImGQFiWb9IFuEM//7v13elCR9V6b/x6vMRFjHk80I/uSTrUfGU/+F1JJcKC3dS4V0ru TM9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOw8CmzXaWXPxZ+dJDuquRrVkyOiMzb1hNXq+7oQCqRIRwOvjOLt XKuRV9MjtHGHtuehwU3EIR9isvCnaA== X-Received: by 10.25.233.77 with SMTP id g74mr23140915lfh.161.1499520511791; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.152.81 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jul 2017 06:28:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Btc Drak Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 13:28:11 +0000 Message-ID: To: Sergio Demian Lerner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113c552270570c0553ce5374" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM, HK_RANDOM_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM, TVD_APPROVED autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:15:34 +0000 Cc: bitcoin-dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A Segwit2x BIP X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2017 13:28:35 -0000 --001a113c552270570c0553ce5374 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am utterly appalled by this proposal both technically, ethically, and by the process which it has adopted. Hard forks require consensus from the entire ecosystem in order to prevent a fork, funds loss, confusion and harm to the robust guarantees of the Bitcoin system has thus far displayed. I know this is a draft, but you are seeking reviews of a proposal that has just a few weeks remaining before deployment (where "technical review" is pointless because the is not actually open unless you are an approved member ), making it totally unworkable and irresponsible. For example, exactly how are other implementations supposed to adopt the BIP in such a short timeframe? For all the talk of how important "alternative implementations" are, how does this rash and rushed action promote an ecosystem of multiple implementors? By encouraging fast upgrades, you are actually centralizing the ecosystem even further. The linked coded doesn't uniquely identify itself on the network by user-agent, something all distinct implementations have done to date. The draft BIP text looks like an afterthought and doesn't actually specify the proposal in enough detail to implement from the text. By contrast for example, BIP141 has a level of detail which allowed others to implement segwit without looking at any reference code (which consequently results to more confidence and testing of the specification all round). The Bitcoin system has a market cap of over $40bn supported by a robust and reliable network and your proposal is an offence to all Bitcoin has achieved because due to it's the strong foundations. I cannot not support this proposal in the current form and timeline, nor do I support the coercion that has been used behind closed doors to try and gain more support (not limited to, but including approaching company investors to twist arms and veiled threats of blacklisting companies from further funding/collaboration). I think the best you can hope for this hard fork proposal is for it to be quietly ignored. On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hello, > > Here is a BIP that matches the reference code that the Segwit2x group has > built and published a week ago. > > This BIP and code satisfies the requests of a large part of the Bitcoin > community for a moderate increase in the Bitcoin non-witness block space > coupled with the activation of Segwit. > > You can find the BIP draft in the following link: > > https://github.com/SergioDemianLerner/BIPs/blob/ > master/BIP-draft-sergiolerner-segwit2x.mediawiki > > Reference source was kindly provided by the Segwit2x group. > > Best regards, > Sergio. > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > --001a113c552270570c0553ce5374 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am utterly appalled by this proposal both technically, e= thically, and by the process which it has adopted. Hard forks require conse= nsus from the entire ecosystem in order to prevent a fork, funds loss, conf= usion and harm to the robust guarantees of the Bitcoin system has thus far = displayed.

I know this is a draft, but you are seeking r= eviews of a proposal that has just a few weeks remaining before deployment = (where "technical review" is pointless because the is not actually open=C2= =A0unless you are an approved member), making it totally unworkable and i= rresponsible. For example, exactly how are other implementations supposed t= o adopt the BIP in such a short timeframe? For all the talk of how importan= t "alternative implementations" are, how does this rash and rushe= d action promote an ecosystem of multiple implementors? By encouraging fast= upgrades, you are actually centralizing the ecosystem even further.=C2=A0<= /div>

The linked coded doesn't uniquely identify its= elf on the network by user-agent, something all distinct implementations ha= ve done to date.

The draft BIP text looks like an = afterthought and doesn't actually specify the proposal in enough detail= to implement from the text. By contrast for example, BIP141 has a level of= detail which allowed others to implement segwit without looking at any ref= erence code (which consequently results to more confidence and testing of t= he specification all round). The Bitcoin system has a market cap of over $4= 0bn supported by a robust and reliable network and your proposal is an offe= nce to all Bitcoin has achieved because due to it's the strong foundati= ons.

I cannot not support this proposal in the cur= rent form and timeline, nor do I support the coercion that has been used be= hind closed doors to try and gain more support (not limited to, but includi= ng approaching company investors to twist arms and veiled threats of blackl= isting companies from further funding/collaboration).

I think the best you can hope for this hard fork proposal is for it= to be quietly ignored.



On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 10:2= 5 PM, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-de= v@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Hello,

Here is a BI= P that matches the reference code that the Segwit2x group has built and pub= lished a week ago.=C2=A0

This BIP and code satisfi= es the requests of a large part of the Bitcoin community for a moderate inc= rease in the Bitcoin non-witness block space coupled with the activation of= Segwit.

You can find the BIP draft in the followi= ng link:

https://github.com/SergioDemianLerner/BIPs/blob/master/BIP-= draft-sergiolerner-segwit2x.mediawiki

Refer= ence source was kindly provided by the Segwit2x group.

=
Best regards,
=C2=A0Sergio.

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