Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YxLIq-0002gF-R7 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 26 May 2015 20:18:20 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.34]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YxLIp-0003DP-Qy for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 26 May 2015 20:18:20 +0000 Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id YkHS1q00A2Udklx01kJEkc; Tue, 26 May 2015 20:18:14 +0000 Received: from crushinator.localnet ([IPv6:2601:6:4800:47f:1e4e:1f4d:332c:3bf6]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id YkJB1q00F2JF60R01kJDLX; Tue, 26 May 2015 20:18:14 +0000 From: Matt Whitlock To: Danny Thorpe Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 16:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2886521.cot1MDGd5p@crushinator> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.8 (Linux/3.18.11-gentoo; KDE/4.14.8; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <20150526001034.GF21367@savin.petertodd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [69.252.207.34 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1YxLIp-0003DP-Qy Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Cost savings by using replace-by-fee, 30-90% X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 20:18:20 -0000 On Tuesday, 26 May 2015, at 11:22 am, Danny Thorpe wrote: > What prevents RBF from being used for fraudulent payment reversals? > > Pay 1BTC to Alice for hard goods, then after you receive the goods > broadcast a double spend of that transaction to pay Alice nothing? Your > only cost is the higher network fee of the 2nd tx. The "First-Seen-Safe" replace-by-fee presently being discussed on this list disallows fraudulent payment reversals, as it disallows a replacing transaction that pays less to any output script than the replaced transaction paid.