Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CBDC000E for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6888440652 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:03:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=voskuil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hmNc0JsTIp17 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:03:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-pj1-x1036.google.com (mail-pj1-x1036.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1036]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B5DF4064D for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pj1-x1036.google.com with SMTP id b5-20020a17090a9905b029016fc06f6c5bso1188479pjp.5 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 05:03:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=voskuil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=RaHupRbp4ZhHPj5oXYEC3dRuMPspmlppzydmXcDFC8g=; b=MUq+hCxeFUS6jRSnxzKmLRWqw2VTKVyTTkhpFS0eU7+EkrW/mXhP+yBY88MsPau/q3 Wa9dugyB5GbfSXdWl5A8NbMRNBIQNHWOt6ADk/MBKcMfQQhIbwKJDqhIpt7JXKGjsmjJ uDMi0aOJKpiCuvEq330tXQILJ2ClfnMv54tNPN6eWdSCJYn9JUE8NvbJIlgRUl/CK+Sr BC9wAYQ3aU/2N2iMZ/i787ju0U/NqmKUh486sBaoBp5Ap7xiM9tU5JCi7L9w5KYkYlDB 1nwtUP4nxSAlv9lvYJ9W8c1lmR8iuTgZ7TmZ6G3FrxtRQzUncUP3ODkuaIYOa5GYFDx6 nT6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=RaHupRbp4ZhHPj5oXYEC3dRuMPspmlppzydmXcDFC8g=; b=SWlO2Dp0mrEMXsqdRkXqkf51ZOi1TPIq2U+qj11hwd8rpH07hk/0n2BUr2uvOJOdwQ V2RXLkGgzZYY1XY7graklFEwYRtNcFn/YkuAj7IpXoOoffTyxezG4Zj7/Q8KGc6oJCu0 OEPzD9bPbG/g/QnQYF2Vv/eQDZex4gTnkR5gNShnmqCsfA3CCjjIFDb/DDpS8IgDa+/A JP52it3X3Kct1n5OqPR7gCuO0Wt7x+Yfe6+hvR7Sr2BwxyxpI4y0x98U7zk7WZeeTEZU PSnsH739KTI4P3pf9B2EHRCNKBhQJuKokCyY2XQvywX/QuG1S/sOYVl1MQSAv9Tthv+/ SwcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532x66ZbTEdnMQsXFy1f5LYpvuZvbQtaA3JflgMAqRNlT0SR11aP qsM0xeAfBWbGbUmFhYHjuyT6Rg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwA30TIBvg8St9eqQmeaGwE6a/00sbsenPDjif0gto23jqIVRFFy3c9MMftpEZaEndjizkZ3g== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:d598:: with SMTP id v24mr37363997pju.185.1625054619856; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 05:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2600:380:4473:6f02:21f4:ae37:a4e1:97d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y9sm8652051pfn.182.2021.06.30.05.03.38 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Jun 2021 05:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-EBF7DC9E-C490-4C7E-A74A-F7C0483C545A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Eric Voskuil Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 05:03:37 -0700 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: Zac Greenwood X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18F72) Cc: Prayank , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Trinary Version Signaling for softfork X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:03:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail-EBF7DC9E-C490-4C7E-A74A-F7C0483C545A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A million nodes saying a transaction is invalid does nothing to enforce that= knowledge. An economic node is a person who refuses to accept invalid money. A node onl= y informs this decision, it cannot enforce it. That=E2=80=99s up to people. And clearly if one is not actually accepting bitcoin for anything at the tim= e, he is not enforcing anything. The idea of a non-economic node is well established, nothing new here. e > On Jun 30, 2021, at 04:33, Zac Greenwood wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Eric, >=20 > > A node (software) doesn=E2=80=99t enforce anything. Merchants enforce co= nsensus rules >=20 > =E2=80=A6 by running a node which they believe to enforce the rules of Bit= coin. >=20 > A node definitely enforces consensus rules and defines what is Bitcoin. I a= m quite disturbed that this is even being debated here. >=20 > Zac --Apple-Mail-EBF7DC9E-C490-4C7E-A74A-F7C0483C545A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A million nodes saying a t= ransaction is invalid does nothing to enforce that knowledge.

An economic node is a person who refuses to= accept invalid money. A node only informs this decision, it cannot enforce i= t. That=E2=80=99s up to people.

And clearly if one is not actually accepting bitcoin for anything at th= e time, he is not enforcing anything.

The idea of a non-economic node is well established, nothing new h= ere.

e

On Jun 30, 2021, at 04:33, Zac Greenwood <= ;zachgrw@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hi Eric,

> A node (software) doesn=E2=80=99t enforce anything. Merc= hants enforce consensus rules

=E2=80=A6 by running a node which they believ= e to enforce the rules of Bitcoin.

A node definitely enforces consensus rules= and defines what is Bitcoin. I am quite disturbed that this is even being debated h= ere.

Zac
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