Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B4C8267 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:17:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from manxnetsf05.manx.net (outbound.manx.net [213.137.31.12]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6966A89 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from adsl92.39.203.140.manx.net (EHLO coldstorage.localnet) ([92.39.203.140]) by manxnetsf05.manx.net (MOS 4.4.5a-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id EGD55009; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:17:55 +0100 (BST) From: Thomas Zander To: Bitcoin Dev Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 00:09:14 +0200 Message-ID: <1472719.PaoH0O6gJe@coldstorage> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.1 (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64; KDE/4.14.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 92.39.203.140 coldstorage.localnet thomas@thomaszander.se 5 none X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=manxnetsf05.manx.net X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0206.55C92313.00C3, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A0B0206.55C92313.00C3, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-07-29 09:23:55, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 1d0b4c36cb3b39a7afaf456daeb455b9 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:17:58 -0000 On Monday 10. August 2015 16.55.40 Jorge Tim=F3n via bitcoin-dev wrote:= > I'm not trying to be obstinate but I seriously can't see how they are= > different. > When you say unreliable I think you mean "unreliable for cheap fee > transactions". Transactions with the highest fees will always confirm= > reliably. For example, a 1 btc fee tx will probably always confirm ve= ry > reliably even if capacity never increases and demands increases a lot= . The actual fee is irrelevant, the amount of transactions is relevant. Have you ever been to a concert that was far away from public transport= ? They=20 typically set up bus shuttles, or taxis to get people back into town=20= afterwards. The result there is always you end up waiting forever and it actually m= ay be=20 easier to just walk instead of wait. The amount you pay is irrelevant if everyone is paying it. There still = is more=20 demand than there is capacity. At the concert the amount of people will stop after some time, and you'= d get=20 your bus. But in the scenarios created here the queues will never stop.= So, no, its not unreliable for cheap free transactions. Its unreliable for all types of transactions. --=20 Thomas Zander