Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WdmbE-0001Yu-Aa for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:19:56 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.54; envelope-from=gmaxwell@gmail.com; helo=mail-la0-f54.google.com; Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com ([209.85.215.54]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1WdmbD-0005uS-Dx for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:19:56 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id e16so3208327lan.27 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:19:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.147.36 with SMTP id th4mr6677375lbb.32.1398457188761; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.89.68 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:19:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140425201403.GA8994@savin> References: <20140425201403.GA8994@savin> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:19:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: Gregory Maxwell To: Peter Todd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gmaxwell[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1WdmbD-0005uS-Dx Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP - Hash Locked Transaction X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:19:56 -0000 On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > Actually I did some work looking at this problem a few months ago and > other than somewhat larger transactions it looks like implementing > oracles by having the oracle reveal ECC secret keys works better in > every case. Notably the oracle can prove they really do have the key by > signing a challenge message, and with some ECC math the transaction can > include keys that have been derived from the oracle keys, blinding what > purposes the oracle is being used for from the oracle itself. I think the hash-locked transactions are very useful, and I think Peter agrees (no?) But I agree with him that that for the oracle case the EC public points are superior. (Also: Reality keys works like this.)