Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A5BF106C for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 03:59:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail2.openmailbox.org (mail2.openmailbox.org [62.4.1.33]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BE10ED for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 03:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8B02AC1EA8; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 04:59:00 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1450670340; bh=hBkotVW4qjCjKYudVcRD3f4Yj4SpANEzc3XE4GALDMs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=dp1mxYQnZumuhAJCf8XHEy2rDKH8ZVLoM/QpY4jaf8dRpYjQGbOsxL0H9Zl0GFqQH egor5h1rxR+Wf0nJfeAXkM+DK5SIkBZ/pV+3hMKMymnpi5wZp2KY3NCqiB/dt2X8YJ ywJWyWRO/AkObeRlmqmihJ0etY/NSlXAxAKvrmG4= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from www.openmailbox.org (openmailbox-b1 [10.91.69.218]) by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3355F2AC12C6; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 04:58:50 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:58:50 +0800 From: joe2015@openmailbox.org To: Jeff Garzik In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489826397e6b36bf68391508952042f4@openmailbox.org> X-Sender: joe2015@openmailbox.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.6 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 04:14:52 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Increasing the blocksize as a (generalized) softfork. X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 03:59:02 -0000 On 2015-12-21 11:39, Jeff Garzik wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 12:21 PM, joe2015--- via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > Current hard fork implementations include / will include miner > lock-in, just like any soft fork. They will not activate if global > consensus is not reached. That's not true at all. They activate with a miner majority (e.g. 75%, 95%, etc.), not global consensus. Here global really means global, i.e. miner, economic, all clients, etc. In the case of a hardfork there is nothing stopping the miner minority from continuing the old chain. With a softfork the miner minority is forced to upgrade otherwise their blocks will be eventually orphaned. My proposal achieves a hardfork-like blocksize limit increase but, like a softfork, also forces the miner minority to upgrade. --joe.