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From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
To: Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?
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On 19 May 2013 15:23, Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org> wrote:

> Is there a way to experiment with new features - eg committed coins - that
> doesnt involve an altcoin in the conventional sense, and also doesnt impose
> a big testing burden on bitcoin main which is a security and testing risk?
>
> eg lets say some form of merged mine where an alt-coin lets call it
> bitcoin-staging?  where the coins are the same coins as on bitcoin, the
> mining power goes to bitcoin main, so some aspect of merged mining, but no
> native mining.  and ability to use bitcoins by locking them on bitcoin to
> move them to bitcoin-staging and vice versa (ie exchange them 1:1
> cryptographically, no exchange).
>
> Did anyone figure anything like that out?  Seems vaguely doable and
> maybe productive.  The only people with coins at risk of defects in a new
> feature, or insufficiently well tested novel feature are people with coins
> on bitcoin-staging.
>
> Yes I know about bitcoin-test this is not it.  I mean a real live system,
> with live value, but that is intentionally wanting to avoid forking
> bitcoins
> parameters, nor value, nor mindshare dillution.  In this way something
> potentially interesting could move forward faster, and be les risky to the
> main bitcoin network.  eg particularly defenses against
>
> It might also be a more real world test test (after bitcoin-test) because
> some parameters are different on test, and some issues may not manifest
> without more real activity.
>
> Then also bitcoin could cherry pick interesting patches and merge them
> after
> extensive real-world validation with real-money at stake (by early
> adopters).
>

Interesting idea.  I wonder if ripple could be used to set up a transfer
system between the 'main' and 'staging' systems ...


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> Adam
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On 19 May 2013 15:23, Adam Back <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:adam@cypherspace.org" target=3D"_blank">adam@cypherspace.org</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is there a way to experiment with new featur=
es - eg committed coins - that<br>
doesnt involve an altcoin in the conventional sense, and also doesnt impose=
<br>
a big testing burden on bitcoin main which is a security and testing risk?<=
br>
<br>
eg lets say some form of merged mine where an alt-coin lets call it<br>
bitcoin-staging? =A0where the coins are the same coins as on bitcoin, the<b=
r>
mining power goes to bitcoin main, so some aspect of merged mining, but no<=
br>
native mining. =A0and ability to use bitcoins by locking them on bitcoin to=
<br>
move them to bitcoin-staging and vice versa (ie exchange them 1:1<br>
cryptographically, no exchange).<br>
<br>
Did anyone figure anything like that out? =A0Seems vaguely doable and<br>
maybe productive. =A0The only people with coins at risk of defects in a new=
<br>
feature, or insufficiently well tested novel feature are people with coins<=
br>
on bitcoin-staging.<br>
<br>
Yes I know about bitcoin-test this is not it. =A0I mean a real live system,=
<br>
with live value, but that is intentionally wanting to avoid forking bitcoin=
s<br>
parameters, nor value, nor mindshare dillution. =A0In this way something<br=
>
potentially interesting could move forward faster, and be les risky to the<=
br>
main bitcoin network. =A0eg particularly defenses against<br>
<br>
It might also be a more real world test test (after bitcoin-test) because<b=
r>
some parameters are different on test, and some issues may not manifest<br>
without more real activity.<br>
<br>
Then also bitcoin could cherry pick interesting patches and merge them afte=
r<br>
extensive real-world validation with real-money at stake (by early<br>
adopters).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Interesting idea.=A0 I wonde=
r if ripple could be used to set up a transfer system between the &#39;main=
&#39; and &#39;staging&#39; systems ...<br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">

<br>
Adam<br>
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