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[66.183.0.127]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 00721157ae682-6ee4440ab4asi964507b3.2.2024.11.14.06.30.20 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2024 06:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of apoelstra@wpsoftware.net designates 66.183.0.127 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.183.0.127; Received: from camus (camus-andrew.lan [192.168.0.190]) by mail.wpsoftware.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E7914009B; Thu, 14 Nov 2024 14:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 14:30:18 +0000 From: Andrew Poelstra To: Weikeng Chen Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Broken links to the previous mailing list archive Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G+XQghixhflzp7PO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: apoelstra@wpsoftware.net X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@mail.wpsoftware.net header.s=default header.b=QTAJzeS9; spf=pass (google.com: domain of apoelstra@wpsoftware.net designates 66.183.0.127 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=apoelstra@wpsoftware.net; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=wpsoftware.net Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --G+XQghixhflzp7PO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 06:35:31PM -0800, Weikeng Chen wrote: > > (1) I think it is a good idea for the Bitcoin mail lists to purchase a > domain of its own in the future because it is hard to expect any > open-source foundation to long live Bitcoin. > Unfortunately there is no "Bitcoin mailing list" entity that could purchase a domain or hosting on its own. It would be possible to set one up but ultimately it'd ground out in community members volunteering their own resources to maintain the archive. (This is exactly what is happening with the new gnusha.org archives.) I suppose in theory somebody with a lot of cash could set up an org with a charter and an endowment that could pay some sysadmin forever...but it's hard to see anybody stepping up for the sake of email archives. And as we've seen from our own problems with the Linux Foundation servers, and from the recent hack on the Internet Archive, that even this isn't likely to be sufficient. The hope by using the LF servers was that, because they are a large and diversified organization, and ideologically aligned with providing access to information, that they would stick around. It's pretty frustrating and disappointing that this isn't the case. -- Andrew Poelstra Director, Blockstream Research Email: apoelstra at wpsoftware.net Web: https://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew The sun is always shining in space -Justin Lewis-Webster -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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