Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfxrt-0004Ao-OD for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 19:09:21 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-ie0-f175.google.com ([209.85.223.175]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Tfxro-00040l-4x for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 19:09:21 +0000 Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id qd14so6897761ieb.34 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 11:09:10 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=puOx/7CYr/ltOT6uElKOoSZQOdBa+fIkMWYGHbvQI4w=; b=nLQc/OyHmgH4BxW72+8dcORj1TnT7tVXZPR0mdVSiCfkxK/bMmoKaFx/Sk/YRDCqpM fI9ppruqZVOjkCv30e4UraZ7UbqcCxZg/nsq1YY7nm++0PUIMb2ghXA8ppHFPPLoLMPy oCbS6DNLnKdW7yq2spY38+e+TqIe6lJ2bXBEaJ/k1d404r3PMmifEihBz+XrRwK3ry7v 7Po6PcTXSHq/RODVqLedL2x5DT+W/+UZjW7HywvMcpBPRqXk4ugIWqns+4dHwf9/l+o5 DyChf+8OB9ZOeftGe6gNwQjbX4+MKSVWN0+bYEdMveEO+P15cbNjNyJi/a4ie92nA9oO 8SJw== Received: by 10.50.53.168 with SMTP id c8mr3749433igp.10.1354644502454; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 10:08:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.16.10 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:08:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Will Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 18:08:01 +0000 Message-ID: To: Bitcoin Dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04339c645da23804d00ac039 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnPHm0nuJZHag+FK2Y0kIuWBoy5D5KOPMd2Uph2jjGRTSHmCs+q89k+F40Fwhy61D7lz35f X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1Tfxro-00040l-4x Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Roadmap to getting users onto SPV clients X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 19:09:21 -0000 --f46d04339c645da23804d00ac039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ...or should we be directing people to a (vetted) list of cloud services - I think this has a significantly lower entry cost than any client. I know the mybitcoin debacle has clouded (pun intended) people's views of these providers, but blockchain.info (for example) really does seem quite well engineered, and satisfies many of the features in particular a very low cost of entry, cross platform support and what appears to be very good security (e.g. two factor) Will On 4 December 2012 17:46, Mike Hearn wrote: > At the moment if you visit bitcoin.org then you're recommended to > download the full client. I think we all agree that at some point we > need to start presenting users with something more like this: > > > To get started, download wallet apps A or B. > > If you'd like to contribute your computing resources to the Bitcoin > network and have a fast computer with an unfiltered internet > connection, download: > > - for desktop machines, Bitcoin-Qt > - for servers, bitcoind > > > > Obviously not that exact wording. > > I personally feel it's a bit early for this, but it's true that users > are being turned away by the fact that they're pointed to Bitcoin-Qt > by default, so having some kind of roadmap or plan for changing that > would be good. > > I think MultiBit is maturing into a client that I'd feel comfortable > recommending to end users who take the fast-start path, though it > still has a few serious lacks (encrypted wallets aren't released yet, > bloom filters will help performance a lot, needs to catch up with some > newer features). But there doesn't have to be a one true client. > > The alternative, I guess, is to make Bitcoin-Qt have an SPV mode. I'm > not convinced this is the best use of time, but if somebody steps up > to do it, that could also work. MultiBit has some unique features that > are quite useful like integrating charting and exchange rate feeds. > > What does everyone think on this? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial > Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support > Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services > Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers > http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > --f46d04339c645da23804d00ac039 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...or should we be directing people to a (vetted) list of cloud services - = I think this has a significantly lower entry cost than any client. I know t= he mybitcoin debacle has clouded (pun intended) people's views of these= providers, but blockchain.info (for= example) really does seem quite well engineered, and satisfies many of the= features in particular a very low cost of entry, cross platform support an= d what appears to be very good security (e.g. two factor)

Will

On 4 Decemb= er 2012 17:46, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:
At the moment if you visit bitcoin.org then you're recommended to
download the full client. I think we all agree that at some point we
need to start presenting users with something more like this:


To get started, download wallet apps A or B.

If you'd like to contribute your computing resources to the Bitcoin
network and have a fast computer with an unfiltered internet
connection, download:

=A0 =A0- for desktop machines, Bitcoin-Qt
=A0 =A0- for servers, bitcoind



Obviously not that exact wording.

I personally feel it's a bit early for this, but it's true that use= rs
are being turned away by the fact that they're pointed to Bitcoin-Qt by default, so having some kind of roadmap or plan for changing that
would be good.

I think MultiBit is maturing into a client that I'd feel comfortable recommending to end users who take the fast-start path, though it
still has a few serious lacks (encrypted wallets aren't released yet, bloom filters will help performance a lot, needs to catch up with some
newer features). But there doesn't have to be a one true client.

The alternative, I guess, is to make Bitcoin-Qt have an SPV mode. I'm not convinced this is the best use of time, but if somebody steps up
to do it, that could also work. MultiBit has some unique features that
are quite useful like integrating charting and exchange rate feeds.

What does everyone think on this?

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