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From: Christian Decker <decker.christian@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:20:12 +0200
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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: The Future of Bitcoin Testnet
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I'd like to add my counter example to this: all constructions of off-chain
protocols that we know to this day require a repudiation period, during
which other parties can intervene to correct or penalize a misbehaving
party. This period is enforced in all cases by a delay expressed in blocks.

The unpredictable block generation rate means this mechanism is almost
impossible to test on testnet, making it's utility for offchain protocol
testing dubious if not outright void.

While a better behaved testnet is no guarantee that it will give rise to a
persistent ecosystem that allows more extensive real world testing on
testnet, I'd love to have at least the option.

TL;DR: addressing the difficulty reset would be much appreciated.

Regards,
Christian

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<div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;d like to add my counter example to this: all const=
ructions of off-chain protocols that we know to this day require a repudiat=
ion period, during which other parties can intervene to correct or penalize=
 a misbehaving party. This period is enforced in all cases by a delay expre=
ssed in blocks.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The unpredicta=
ble block generation rate means this mechanism is almost impossible to test=
 on testnet, making it&#39;s utility for offchain protocol testing dubious =
if not outright void.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Wh=
ile a better behaved testnet is no guarantee that it will give rise to a pe=
rsistent ecosystem that allows more extensive real world testing on testnet=
, I&#39;d love to have at least the option.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">TL;DR: addressing the difficulty reset would be much ap=
preciated.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div=
><div dir=3D"auto">Christian</div></div>

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