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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 21:36:23 +0300
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To: Andy Schroder <info@AndySchroder.com>, 
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Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough
 to host this list?
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The mail list is public, so it's not like the data on it is somehow
sensitive. Sourcefoge is fine, it has a nice web UI where you can browse
the message and sort/order them as you want, etc.

Why would you want to move to a paid solution? And why would you want
users to have to pay per message? This is the worst idea ever from my
point of view. We want to encourage people to join the community, run
full nodes, ask questions, come with solutions, ideas for improvements
and so on. Everyone should read and write and contribute as much as
possible with ideas in debates. You never know who can have bright ideas
in some contexts.

Bottom line is so far sourceforge handles the mail lists just fine. I
don't see a single advantage another mail list provider / system could
offer, except some headache and extra work for migration. The software
distribution via sourcefoge was cancelled for obvious reasons which I
fully understand and agree to, but it has nothing to do with the mail
lists. We have way more important things to brainstorm about.

On 6/10/2015 7:46 PM, Andy Schroder wrote:
> Regarding changing the e-mail list provider. Is anyone interested in=20
> sponsoring it? There are non-free options, but it may be difficult to=20
> always ensure the fee is being paid to the provider. I think finding an=
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> agreeable free solution may have been the issue before? I've also=20
> thought of trying to make a pay per message or byte solution (and this=20
> cost could be dynamic based upon the number of current mailing list=20
> subscribers). This could solve the who pays problem (the sender pays),=20
> as well as motivate people to be more concise and clear with their=20
> messages, and at the same time limit spam.
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> Andy Schroder
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> On 06/10/2015 05:35 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:25:12AM +0200, xor wrote:
>>> http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-softwa=
re-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/
>> All our downloads (even old ones) have recently been deleted from sour=
ceforge, for this reason. They haven't been mentioned in Bitcon Core rele=
ase announcements for a long time.
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>> No opinion on the mailing list. Though I think it's less urgent. The i=
ssue of moving the mailinglist has come up before a few times and people =
can't agree where to move to.
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>> Wladimir
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