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From: Tamas Blummer <tamas@bitsofproof.com>
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:14:15 +0100
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To: Andreas Schildbach <andreas@schildbach.de>
Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc
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You give them a hard to interpret thing like mBTC and then wonder why
they rather look at local currency. Because the choices you gave them =
are bad.

I think Bitcoin would have a better chance to be percieved as a currency
of its own if it had prices and fractions like currencies do.=20

3.558 mBTC or 0.003578 BTC will never be as accepted as 3558 bits would =
be.


Tamas Blummer
Bits of Proof

On 14.03.2014, at 15:05, Andreas Schildbach <andreas@schildbach.de> =
wrote:

> btw. None of Bitcoin Wallet's users complained about confusion because
> of the mBTC switch. In contrast, I get many mails and questions if
> exchange rates happen to differ by >10%.
>=20
> I suspect nobody looks at the Bitcoin price. It's the amount in local
> currency that matters to the users.
>=20
>=20
> On 03/13/2014 02:40 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote:
>> Indeed. And users were crying for mBTC. Nobody was asking for =C2=B5BTC=
.
>>=20
>> I must admit I was not aware if this thread. I just watched other
>> wallets and at some point decided its time to switch to mBTC.
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 03/13/2014 02:31 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:
>>> The standard has become mBTC and that's what was adopted. It's too =
late
>>> to try and sway this on a mailing list thread now.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Gary Rowe <g.rowe@froot.co.uk
>>> <mailto:g.rowe@froot.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>    The MultiBit HD view is that this is a locale-sensitive =
presentation
>>>    issue. As a result we offer a simple configuration panel giving
>>>    pretty much every possible combination: icon, m+icon,  =CE=BC+icon,=
 BTC,
>>>    mBTC,  =CE=BCBTC, XBT, mXBT,  =CE=BCXBT, sat along with settings =
for
>>>    leading/trailing symbol, commas, spaces and points. This allows
>>>    anyone to customise to meet their own needs beyond the offered =
default.=20
>>>=20
>>>    We apply the NIST guidelines for representation of SI unit =
symbols
>>>    (i.e no conversion to native language, no RTL giving icon+m etc).
>>>=20
>>>    Right now MultiBit HD is configured to use m+icon taken from the
>>>    Font Awesome icon set. However reading earlier posts it seems
>>>    that =CE=BC+icon is more sensible.=20
>>>=20
>>>    Let us know what you'd like.
>>>=20
>>>    Links:
>>>    m+icon screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/WCDoG
>>>    Font Awesome icon: =
http://fortawesome.github.io/Font-Awesome/icon/btc/
>>>    NIST SI guidelines: http://physics.nist.gov/Pubs/SP811/sec07.html
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>    On 13 March 2014 12:56, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com
>>>    <mailto:jgarzik@bitpay.com>> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>        Resurrecting this topic.  Bitcoin Wallet moved to mBTC =
several weeks
>>>        ago, which was disappointing -- it sounded like the consensus =
was
>>>        uBTC, and moving to uBTC later --which will happen-- may =
result in
>>>        additional user confusion, thanks to yet another decimal =
place
>>>        transition.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>        On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Wendell <w@grabhive.com
>>>        <mailto:w@grabhive.com>> wrote:
>>>> We're with uBTC too. Been waiting for the signal to do this,
>>>        let's do it right after the fee system is improved.
>>>>=20
>>>> -wendell
>>>>=20
>>>> grabhive.com <http://grabhive.com> | twitter.com/hivewallet
>>>        <http://twitter.com/hivewallet> | gpg: 6C0C9411
>>>>=20
>>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Go straight to uBTC. Humans and existing computer systems
>>>        handle numbers to
>>>>> the left of the decimals just fine (HK Dollars, Yen). The
>>>        opposite is
>>>>> untrue (QuickBooks really does not like 3+ decimal places).
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>        --
>>>        Jeff Garzik
>>>        Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist
>>>        BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/
>>>=20
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