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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:52:50 +0300
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From: Micha Bailey <michabailey@gmail.com>
To: "Warren Togami Jr." <wtogami@gmail.com>
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My interpretation is that he's saying Satoshi wouldn't be welcome to return
as Satoshi, because whatever he did/said would inevitably end up being
treated with authority, which shouldn't be the case.

On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Warren Togami Jr. via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> I honestly don't understand your position, but I get the sense that you
> are suggesting Satoshi wouldn't be welcome to return if he wanted to be
> active in development again?
>
> Warren
> On Aug 17, 2015 1:38 PM, "Oliver Egginger" <bitcoin@olivere.de
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bitcoin@olivere.de');>> wrote:
>
>> Am 17.08.2015 um 21:03 schrieb Warren Togami Jr.:
>> > This bitcoin-dev list restarted with an empty subscriber list on June
>> > 21st, 2015.  So whoever posted from satoshi@vistomail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','satoshi@vistomail.com');>
>> > <mailto:satoshi@vistomail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','satoshi@vistomail.com');>> subscribed and
>> verified the address
>> > recently.  Do you propose that we manually approve new subscribers to
>> > prevent these kind of "abuses" as you put it?
>>
>> I would simply block the creators old email addresses. Easy with
>> Mailman. I thought that would be a good and easy approach, but maybe I'm
>> wrong.
>>
>> Some believes it is possible that the email could be genuine. Some say
>> that only the content is important. I have closely followed. An
>> interesting discussion. Thank you all so far.
>>
>> But let's say the poster would be the real Satoshi. Would we discuss his
>> posting if he would not claim to be Satoshi? There are a lot of smart
>> people on this list, which publish occasionally quite useful ideas. But
>> much of this is hardly the subject of greater discussion. Especially not
>> when it comes to the blocksize. On this subject almost everything has
>> been already said. But not yet by everyone. Especially not by Satoshi.
>>
>> Satoshi would have a decisive influence on the community. I'm sure. To
>> say it does not matter who's talking is maybe genteelly but a little bit
>> remote from everyday life. Or not? Satoshi is the creator. What he says
>> is in the newspaper and is perceived by all. If he says it's okay to do
>> nothing as long as we stand together, then people have the courage to do
>> maybe something dangerous or something wrong. Then people only follow
>> their hearts. Otherwise they follow their fear. It is a paradox of the
>> human nature that some type of Dictatorship can make you free. I say
>> some type, not any type. Enough said.
>>
>> - oliver
>>
>>

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My interpretation is that he&#39;s saying Satoshi wouldn&#39;t be welcome t=
o return as Satoshi, because whatever he did/said would inevitably end up b=
eing treated with authority, which shouldn&#39;t be the case.<span></span><=
br><br>On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Warren Togami Jr. via bitcoin-dev &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.l=
inuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=
=3D"ltr">I honestly don&#39;t understand your position, but I get the sense=
 that you are suggesting Satoshi wouldn&#39;t be welcome to return if he wa=
nted to be active in development again?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Warren</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 17, 2015 1:38 PM, &quot;Oliver Egginger&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;bitcoin@oliver=
e.de&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin@olivere.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D=
"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 17.08.2015 um 21:03 schrieb=
 Warren Togami Jr.:<br>
&gt; This bitcoin-dev list restarted with an empty subscriber list on June<=
br>
&gt; 21st, 2015.=C2=A0 So whoever posted from <a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%=
7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;satoshi@vistomail.com&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">sato=
shi@vistomail.com</a><br>
&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;satoshi=
@vistomail.com&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">satoshi@vistomail.com</a>&gt; subs=
cribed and verified the address<br>
&gt; recently.=C2=A0 Do you propose that we manually approve new subscriber=
s to<br>
&gt; prevent these kind of &quot;abuses&quot; as you put it?<br>
<br>
I would simply block the creators old email addresses. Easy with<br>
Mailman. I thought that would be a good and easy approach, but maybe I&#39;=
m<br>
wrong.<br>
<br>
Some believes it is possible that the email could be genuine. Some say<br>
that only the content is important. I have closely followed. An<br>
interesting discussion. Thank you all so far.<br>
<br>
But let&#39;s say the poster would be the real Satoshi. Would we discuss hi=
s<br>
posting if he would not claim to be Satoshi? There are a lot of smart<br>
people on this list, which publish occasionally quite useful ideas. But<br>
much of this is hardly the subject of greater discussion. Especially not<br=
>
when it comes to the blocksize. On this subject almost everything has<br>
been already said. But not yet by everyone. Especially not by Satoshi.<br>
<br>
Satoshi would have a decisive influence on the community. I&#39;m sure. To<=
br>
say it does not matter who&#39;s talking is maybe genteelly but a little bi=
t<br>
remote from everyday life. Or not? Satoshi is the creator. What he says<br>
is in the newspaper and is perceived by all. If he says it&#39;s okay to do=
<br>
nothing as long as we stand together, then people have the courage to do<br=
>
maybe something dangerous or something wrong. Then people only follow<br>
their hearts. Otherwise they follow their fear. It is a paradox of the<br>
human nature that some type of Dictatorship can make you free. I say<br>
some type, not any type. Enough said.<br>
<br>
- oliver<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote>

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