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Dear LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH), a.k.a. "The Australian",

This discussion list is serious stuff, please stop making noise.
Fungibility is a desirable property, anyway.

Thank you!

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 12:04 PM Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> > consensus requires the ledger to be honest does not prove that it is
> honest.
>
>
>
> Actually, that=E2=80=99s exactly what it does. A logical/mathematical req=
uirement
> (necessity) is also called a proof.
>
>
>
> e
>
>
>
> *From:* bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org> *On
> Behalf Of *LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 2, 2021 7:06 PM
> *To:* M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
> Daniel Edgecumbe <email@esotericnonsense.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK
>
>
>
> "Today I spent approximately $5 at a chip shop in North London in cash.
> Besides the fact that I have voluntarily chosen to share this information=
,
> it is absolutely no concern of yourself or any other party that this
> transaction has occured."
>
>
>
> Good Afternoon,
>
>
>
> Requiring little argument I concur, privacy allows that you do not have
> snoops and researchers following you around looking in your purse as you
> transact. For the general public, how much you carry in your purse and
> where you get it from is none of their business. However, your employer i=
s
> required to report to the government a record of pay, or at least maintai=
n
> that record, and the store where you made a purchase similarly to keep
> records so that taxes can be paid. From their perspective, you do not nee=
d
> to know how much they keep in their drawer. Bitcoin directly allows your
> purse to be private and for the transaction ledger to take the scrutiny
> anyone should be able to apply to prove the ledger is honest. Maintaining
> an argument that consensus requires the ledger to be honest does not prov=
e
> that it is honest.
>
>
>
> KING JAMES HRMH
>
> Great British Empire
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> The Australian
>
> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)
>
> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire
>
> MR. Damian A. James Williamson
>
> Wills
>
>
>
> et al.
>
>
>
>
>
> Willtech
>
> www.willtech.com.au
>
> www.go-overt.com
>
> and other projects
>
>
>
> earn.com/willtech
>
> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson
>
>
>
>
>
> m. 0487135719
>
> f. +61261470192
>
>
>
>
>
> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this
> email if misdelivered.
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org> on
> behalf of Daniel Edgecumbe via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 March 2021 12:16 PM
> *To:* M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK
>
>
>
> Any "transparency" in the blockchain, beyond that required for a
> participant to determine valid ownership, can only reasonably be thought =
of
> as a bug.
>
> Today I spent approximately $5 at a chip shop in North London in cash.
> Besides the fact that I have voluntarily chosen to share this information=
,
> it is absolutely no concern of yourself or any other party that this
> transaction has occured.
>
> Bitcoin is digital cash.
>
> Daniel Edgecumbe | esotericnonsense
> email@esotericnonsense.com | https://esotericnonsense.com
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, at 22:37, Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > To be clear, is this a NACK because Taproot reduces =E2=80=9Ctransparen=
cy=E2=80=9D
> > (increases privacy) on the chain (=E2=80=9Cmaintaining consensus=E2=80=
=9D is obviously
> > an argument against any protocol change, so that=E2=80=99s a red herrin=
g)?
> >
> > And is it your theory that only an =E2=80=9Chonest=E2=80=9D (statute ab=
iding) person
> > should have privacy, and not against the state, and/or that mixers are
> > sufficient privacy?
> >
> > Personally, I=E2=80=99m not moved by such an argument. What do you thin=
k is the
> > value proposition of Bitcoin?
> >
> > e
> >
> > > On Mar 1, 2021, at 14:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via
> bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > =EF=BB=BF
> > > Good Afternoon,
> > >
> > > I am going to take tough terms with much of your reply and do
> appreciate a courteous practice. Having previously made public disclosure
> of my affiliation with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to disclose my
> affiliation through the link in my email signature block.
> > >
> > > My concern is not increased privacy it is maintaining consensus value=
s
> and the transparency of the blockchain wherein all transactions are
> published in an immutable record and that forbids the redaction of
> information by any obfuscation. A separate concern is the availability of=
 a
> privacy suitable for cash should a Bitcoin user desire and especially
> without disturbing the existing consensus.
> > >
> > > The use of a Bitcoin Mixer is to enable standard equivalent privacy.
> As you may experience yourself, you do not allow people to follow you
> around looking in your purse, suppose you are dealing entirely with cash,
> and to see where and how much you fill it up, and where you spend.
> Nonetheless, for an honest person, their wallet is available for governme=
nt
> audit as are their financial affairs. This is consistent with the existin=
g
> operation of consensus.
> > >
> > > My full email signature block is a disclosure where I have some
> affiliation with the referenced website being that it carries at least so=
me
> information that I have provided or that in some way I am associated
> perhaps only making use of their services. For example, I hardly make a
> profit from LinkedIn just my information is there. Also, I have made
> previous public disclosure of the affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer 2.0 is a
> partner mixer run by Jambler.io wherein I receive a service referral fee
> and am not in receipt of any part of the process transaction. The operati=
on
> block diagram provided by Jambler.io is provided here and attached.
> > > <ip.bitcointalk.org.png>
> > >
> > > [ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Operation of Jambler.io partner mixer
> > >
> https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimages%2Fschem=
e-1.png&t=3D622&c=3DgTi7r1cfh-yynw
> > > from this thread  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D5267588
> > >
> > >
> > > The installation script provided by Jambler.io that is the basis of m=
y
> referral website is also publicly published,
> > > https://github.com/jambler-io/bitcoin-mixer
> > >
> > > The disclosure for the partner program is available from Jambler.io
> however and is made prominently on my referral website. While it may seem
> lucrative at first I insist all partner profits are reportable on your
> personal income.
> > > https://jambler.io/become-partner.php
> > >
> > > I am certainly better than confident that you appreciate the
> difference between an open and transparent blockchain and the ability of
> the user to not reveal details of the content of their wallet publicly.
> > >
> > > If further clarification is required may I suggest you pay a token an=
d
> mix some Bitcoin wherein our discussion may then have some point of
> reference.
> > >
> > > KING JAMES HRMH
> > > Great British Empire
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > The Australian
> > > LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)
> > > of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire
> > > MR. Damian A. James Williamson
> > > Wills
> > >
> > > et al.
> > >
> > >
> > > Willtech
> > > www.willtech.com.au
> > > www.go-overt.com
> > > and other projects
> > >
> > > earn.com/willtech
> > > linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson
> > >
> > >
> > > m. 0487135719
> > > f. +61261470192
> > >
> > >
> > > This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard thi=
s
> email if misdelivered.
> > > *From:* Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces <arielluaces@gmail.com>
> > > *Sent:* Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 AM
> > > *To:* LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; Bitcoin
> Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> > > *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK
> > >
> > > Hello LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH
> > >
> > > I find a striking dichotomy between your concern of increased privacy
> in bitcoin and your link to a bitcoin mixer in your signature
> www.go-overt.com
> > >
> > > At first your concerns seemed genuine but after seeing your promotion
> of a bitcoin mixer I'm thinking your concerns may be more profit motivate=
d?
> I can't tell since you failed to disclose your relationship with the mixe=
r.
> > >
> > > Could you please clarify your association with the bitcoin mixer and
> moving forward could you please always do proper disclosure any time you'=
re
> publically talking about bitcoin transaction privacy. It's only fair to d=
o
> so as to not mislead people in an attempt to manipulate at worst and just=
 a
> courteous practice at best.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces
> > > On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:36 AM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via
> bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > >> Good Evening,
> > >>
> > >> Thank-you for your advice   @JeremyRubin <
> https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>  on the basis you advise, "Taproot does
> not enable monero-like privacy features", I am prepred to withdraw my NAC=
K
> notably that the existing feeatures of Bitcoin MUST be maintained, and
> whereby the UTXO of a transaction is identifiable, the PayTo Address, and
> the amount all without any obfuscation.
> > >>
> > >> Lightning does not really provide obfuscation, it provides a result
> of a subset of transactions although the operation of the channel is
> observable to the parties.
> > >>
> > >> The reports I were reading concerning the supposed operation of
> Taproot published in a public media channel may have been speculation or
> misinformation nonetheless it is prudent to conditionally reply as you se=
e
> that I have. It is important not to allow things to slip through the
> cracks. As you may believe may astute reviewers could make a full
> disclosure to this list it is not to be expected.
> > >>
> > >> KING JAMES HRMH
> > >> Great British Empire
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> The Australian
> > >> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)
> > >> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire
> > >> MR. Damian A. James Williamson
> > >> Wills
> > >>
> > >> et al.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Willtech
> > >> www.willtech.com.au
> > >> www.go-overt.com
> > >> and other projects
> > >>
> > >> earn.com/willtech
> > >> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> m. 0487135719
> > >> f. +61261470192
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard
> this email if misdelivered.
> > >> *From:* Jeremy <jlrubin@mit.edu>
> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM
> > >> *To:* LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; Bitcoin
> Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK
> > >>
> > >> I have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privac=
y
> features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core,
> taproot is a way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts less
> expensive, done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy
> dependent on user behavior (but not in the monero-like way you mention).
> For example, it makes it possible for lightning channels to look
> structurally similar to single key wallets, but it does nothing inherentl=
y
> to obfuscate the transaction graph as in monero.
> > >>
> > >> Such "monero-like" transaction graph obfuscation may already exist i=
n
> Bitcoin via other techniques (coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, lightning, etc=
)
> with or without Taproot, so the point is further moot.
> > >>
> > >> Do you have a source on your reporting?
> > >>
> > >> You may wish to rescind your nack.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>  <
> https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via
> bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > >>> Good Afternoon,
> > >>>
> > >>> It has been reported that Taproot will enable some Monero like
> features including the ability to hide transactions.
> > >>>
> > >>> If that is the case I offer a full NACK and let me explain.
> > >>>
> > >>> A part of the benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full
> transaction is published on the blockchain. If that were to change so tha=
t
> transactions may be obfuscated from scrutiny then any government would ha=
ve
> unlimited impetus to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is the reason
> India has been reported to have banned cryptocurrencies already.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am in support of the expanded use case of Bitcoin without harming
> the established robust fairness and equal equity offered. The core
> functionality of Bitcoin, its values, must remain unaltered.
> > >>>
> > >>> KING JAMES HRMH
> > >>> Great British Empire
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> The Australian
> > >>> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)
> > >>> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire
> > >>> MR. Damian A. James Williamson
> > >>> Wills
> > >>>
> > >>> et al.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Willtech
> > >>> www.willtech.com.au
> > >>> www.go-overt.com
> > >>> and other projects
> > >>>
> > >>> earn.com/willtech
> > >>> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> m. 0487135719
> > >>> f. +61261470192
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard
> this email if misdelivered.
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
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> > >>
> > >> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> > >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
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mp; HMRH), a.k.a. &quot;<span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span>The Aus=
tralian&quot;,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
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=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:small;color:#000000">This discussion list is serious stuff, please stop m=
aking noise. Fungibility is a desirable property, anyway. </div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
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;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists=
.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;" lang=3D"EN-US=
"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-5294170354600911480WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">&gt; <span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">consensus requires th=
e ledger to be honest does not prove that it is honest.<u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12pt;color:black">Actually, that=E2=80=99s exactly what it does. A logical/=
mathematical requirement (necessity) is also called a proof.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt;color:black">e</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,225) curre=
ntcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium m=
edium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> bitcoin-dev =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=
=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; <b>On Beh=
alf Of </b>LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev<br><b>Sent:</b> T=
uesday, March 2, 2021 7:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">b=
itcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;; Daniel Edgecumbe &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:email@esotericnonsense.com" target=3D"_blank">email@esotericnons=
ense.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK<u></u><u=
></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">&quot;</spa=
n><span style=3D"color:black">Today I spent approximately $5 at a chip shop=
 in North London in cash. Besides the fact that I have voluntarily chosen t=
o share this information, it is absolutely no concern of yourself or any ot=
her party that this transaction has occured.</span><span style=3D"font-size=
:12pt;color:black">&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;col=
or:black">Good Afternoon,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;col=
or:black">Requiring little argument I concur, privacy allows that you do no=
t have snoops and researchers following you around looking in your purse as=
 you transact. For the general public, how much you carry in your purse and=
 where you get it from is none of their business. However, your employer is=
 required to report to the government a record of pay, or at least maintain=
 that record, and the store where you made a purchase similarly to keep rec=
ords so that taxes can be paid. From their perspective, you do not need to =
know how much they keep in their drawer. Bitcoin directly allows your purse=
 to be private and for the transaction ledger to take the scrutiny anyone s=
hould be able to apply to prove the ledger is honest. Maintaining an argume=
nt that consensus requires the ledger to be honest does not prove that it i=
s honest.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div id=3D"gmail-m_-5294170354600911480Signature"><div><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">KING JAMES HRMH<=
u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;color:black">Great British Empire<u></u><u></u></span></p><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><span class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:s=
mall;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span>The Australian<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><spa=
n class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span>LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (&am=
p; HMRH)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">of Hougun Manor &amp; Glencoe &amp; Brit=
ish Empire<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">MR. Damian A. James Williamson<u></u><=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:12pt;color:black">Wills<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;colo=
r:black">et al.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Willtech<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><a href=
=3D"http://www.willtech.com.au" target=3D"_blank">www.willtech.com.au</a><u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;color:black"><a href=3D"http://www.go-overt.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">www.go-overt.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">and other projects<u></u=
><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12pt;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><a href=3D"http://ear=
n.com/willtech" target=3D"_blank">earn.com/willtech</a><u></u><u></u></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:=
black"><a href=3D"http://linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson" target=3D"_blank=
">linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">m. 0487135719<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt;color:black">f. +61261470192<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:black">This email does not cons=
titute a general advice. Please disregard this email if misdelivered.</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
</div></div></div></div><div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:c=
enter" align=3D"center"><hr width=3D"98%" size=3D"2" align=3D"center"></div=
><div id=3D"gmail-m_-5294170354600911480divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:blac=
k"> bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfounda=
tion.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org</=
a>&gt; on behalf of Daniel Edgecumbe via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.=
linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 March 2021 12:16 PM<=
br><b>To:</b> M.K. Safi via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@l=
ists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundati=
on.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK</span> <u>=
</u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></=
div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any &quot;transparency&quot; in the bl=
ockchain, beyond that required for a participant to determine valid ownersh=
ip, can only reasonably be thought of as a bug.<br><br>Today I spent approx=
imately $5 at a chip shop in North London in cash. Besides the fact that I =
have voluntarily chosen to share this information, it is absolutely no conc=
ern of yourself or any other party that this transaction has occured.<br><b=
r>Bitcoin is digital cash.<br><br>Daniel Edgecumbe | esotericnonsense<br><a=
 href=3D"mailto:email@esotericnonsense.com" target=3D"_blank">email@esoteri=
cnonsense.com</a> | <a href=3D"https://esotericnonsense.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://esotericnonsense.com</a><br><br>On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, at 22:37, =
Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>&gt; To be clear, is this a NACK bec=
ause Taproot reduces =E2=80=9Ctransparency=E2=80=9D <br>&gt; (increases pri=
vacy) on the chain (=E2=80=9Cmaintaining consensus=E2=80=9D is obviously <b=
r>&gt; an argument against any protocol change, so that=E2=80=99s a red her=
ring)? <br>&gt; <br>&gt; And is it your theory that only an =E2=80=9Chonest=
=E2=80=9D (statute abiding) person <br>&gt; should have privacy, and not ag=
ainst the state, and/or that mixers are <br>&gt; sufficient privacy?<br>&gt=
; <br>&gt; Personally, I=E2=80=99m not moved by such an argument. What do y=
ou think is the <br>&gt; value proposition of Bitcoin?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; e<b=
r>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; On Mar 1, 2021, at 14:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HR=
MH via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.=
org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; =EF=BB=BF <br>&gt; &gt; Good Afternoon,<br>&gt;=
 &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am going to take tough terms with much of your reply =
and do appreciate a courteous practice. Having previously made public discl=
osure of my affiliation with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to disclose my =
affiliation through the link in my email signature block.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>=
&gt; &gt; My concern is not increased privacy it is maintaining consensus v=
alues and the transparency of the blockchain wherein all transactions are p=
ublished in an immutable record and that forbids the redaction of informati=
on by any obfuscation. A separate concern is the availability of a privacy =
suitable for cash should a Bitcoin user desire and especially without distu=
rbing the existing consensus.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; The use of a Bitco=
in Mixer is to enable standard equivalent privacy. As you may experience yo=
urself, you do not allow people to follow you around looking in your purse,=
 suppose you are dealing entirely with cash, and to see where and how much =
you fill it up, and where you spend. Nonetheless, for an honest person, the=
ir wallet is available for government audit as are their financial affairs.=
 This is consistent with the existing operation of consensus.<br>&gt; &gt; =
<br>&gt; &gt; My full email signature block is a disclosure where I have so=
me affiliation with the referenced website being that it carries at least s=
ome information that I have provided or that in some way I am associated pe=
rhaps only making use of their services. For example, I hardly make a profi=
t from LinkedIn just my information is there. Also, I have made previous pu=
blic disclosure of the affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer 2.0 is a partner mixer ru=
n by Jambler.io wherein I receive a service referral fee and am not in rece=
ipt of any part of the process transaction. The operation block diagram pro=
vided by Jambler.io is provided here and attached.<br>&gt; &gt; &lt;ip.bitc=
ointalk.org.png&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; [ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Ope=
ration of Jambler.io partner mixer<br>&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://ip.bitco=
intalk.org/?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimages%2Fscheme-1.png&amp;t=3D62=
2&amp;c=3DgTi7r1cfh-yynw" target=3D"_blank">https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=
=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimages%2Fscheme-1.png&amp;t=3D622&amp;c=3DgTi=
7r1cfh-yynw</a><br>&gt; &gt; from this thread=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://bitc=
ointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D5267588" target=3D"_blank">https://bitcointal=
k.org/index.php?topic=3D5267588</a><br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt=
; The installation script provided by Jambler.io that is the basis of my re=
ferral website is also publicly published,<br>&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://=
github.com/jambler-io/bitcoin-mixer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/j=
ambler-io/bitcoin-mixer</a><br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; The disclosure for t=
he partner program is available from Jambler.io however and is made promine=
ntly on my referral website. While it may seem lucrative at first I insist =
all partner profits are reportable on your personal income.<br>&gt; &gt; <a=
 href=3D"https://jambler.io/become-partner.php" target=3D"_blank">https://j=
ambler.io/become-partner.php</a><br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am certainly =
better than confident that you appreciate the difference between an open an=
d transparent blockchain and the ability of the user to not reveal details =
of the content of their wallet publicly.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; If furt=
her clarification is required may I suggest you pay a token and mix some Bi=
tcoin wherein our discussion may then have some point of reference.<br>&gt;=
 &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; KING JAMES HRMH<br>&gt; &gt; Great British Empire<br>&g=
t; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>&gt; &gt; The Australian<br>&gt; &gt; LOR=
D HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (&amp; HMRH)<br>&gt; &gt; of Hougun Manor &amp;=
 Glencoe &amp; British Empire<br>&gt; &gt; MR. Damian A. James Williamson<b=
r>&gt; &gt; Wills<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; et al.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &=
gt;=C2=A0 <br>&gt; &gt; Willtech<br>&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://www.willtec=
h.com.au" target=3D"_blank">www.willtech.com.au</a><br>&gt; &gt; <a href=3D=
"http://www.go-overt.com" target=3D"_blank">www.go-overt.com</a><br>&gt; &g=
t; and other projects<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 <br>&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://ea=
rn.com/willtech" target=3D"_blank">earn.com/willtech</a><br>&gt; &gt; <a hr=
ef=3D"http://linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson" target=3D"_blank">linkedin.c=
om/in/damianwilliamson</a><br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; m. 0487=
135719<br>&gt; &gt; f. +61261470192<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt=
; This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this em=
ail if misdelivered.<br>&gt; &gt; *From:* Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:arielluaces@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">arielluaces@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; *Sent:* Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 AM<br>&gt; &gt; *To:=
* LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:willtech@live.com.au=
" target=3D"_blank">willtech@live.com.au</a>&gt;; Bitcoin Protocol Discussi=
on &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_=
blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; *Subject:=
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK <br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 <br>&gt; &gt; Hello LO=
RD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I find a striking d=
ichotomy between your concern of increased privacy in bitcoin and your link=
 to a bitcoin mixer in your signature <a href=3D"http://www.go-overt.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">www.go-overt.com</a><br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; At first y=
our concerns seemed genuine but after seeing your promotion of a bitcoin mi=
xer I&#39;m thinking your concerns may be more profit motivated? I can&#39;=
t tell since you failed to disclose your relationship with the mixer.<br>&g=
t; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Could you please clarify your association with the bi=
tcoin mixer and moving forward could you please always do proper disclosure=
 any time you&#39;re publically talking about bitcoin transaction privacy. =
It&#39;s only fair to do so as to not mislead people in an attempt to manip=
ulate at worst and just a courteous practice at best.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;=
 &gt; Cheers<br>&gt; &gt; Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces<br>&gt; &gt; On Feb 28, 2021=
, at 4:36 AM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-de=
v@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote: <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Good Evening, =
<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Thank-you for your advice=C2=A0=C2=A0 @=
JeremyRubin &lt;<a href=3D"https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin</a>&gt;=C2=A0 on the basis you advise, &=
quot;Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy features&quot;, I am prepr=
ed to withdraw my NACK notably that the existing feeatures of Bitcoin MUST =
be maintained, and whereby the UTXO of a transaction is identifiable, the P=
ayTo Address, and the amount all without any obfuscation. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;=
 <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Lightning does not really provide obfuscation, it provid=
es a result of a subset of transactions although the operation of the chann=
el is observable to the parties. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; The re=
ports I were reading concerning the supposed operation of Taproot published=
 in a public media channel may have been speculation or misinformation none=
theless it is prudent to conditionally reply as you see that I have. It is =
important not to allow things to slip through the cracks. As you may believ=
e may astute reviewers could make a full disclosure to this list it is not =
to be expected. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; KING JAMES HRMH <br>&gt=
; &gt;&gt; Great British Empire <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Regards=
, <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; The Australian <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JA=
MES HRMH (&amp; HMRH) <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; of Hougun Manor &amp; Glencoe &amp;=
 British Empire <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; MR. Damian A. James Williamson <br>&gt; &=
gt;&gt; Wills <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; et al. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; =
<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Willtech <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; =
<a href=3D"http://www.willtech.com.au" target=3D"_blank">www.willtech.com.a=
u</a> <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.go-overt.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">www.go-overt.com</a> <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; and other projects <br>&gt; &gt;&=
gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://earn.com/willtech" targ=
et=3D"_blank">earn.com/willtech</a> <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://lin=
kedin.com/in/damianwilliamson" target=3D"_blank">linkedin.com/in/damianwill=
iamson</a> <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; m. 0487135=
719 <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; f. +61261470192 <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <=
br>&gt; &gt;&gt; This email does not constitute a general advice. Please di=
sregard this email if misdelivered. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; *From:* Jeremy &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jlrubin@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">jlrubin@mit.edu</a>&gt;<=
br>&gt; &gt;&gt; *Sent:* Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; =
*To:* LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:willtech@live.co=
m.au" target=3D"_blank">willtech@live.com.au</a>&gt;; Bitcoin Protocol Disc=
ussion &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=
=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; =
*Subject:* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br=
>&gt; &gt;&gt; I have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-lik=
e privacy features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its c=
ore, taproot is a way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts le=
ss expensive, done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy depen=
dent on user behavior (but not in the monero-like way you mention). For exa=
mple, it makes it possible for lightning channels to look structurally simi=
lar to single key wallets, but it does nothing inherently to obfuscate the =
transaction graph as in monero. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Such &q=
uot;monero-like&quot; transaction graph obfuscation may already exist in Bi=
tcoin via other techniques (coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, lightning, etc) wi=
th or without Taproot, so the point is further moot. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>=
&gt; &gt;&gt; Do you have a source on your reporting? <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br=
>&gt; &gt;&gt; You may wish to rescind your nack. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt=
; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; -- <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; @JeremyRubin &lt;<a href=
=3D"https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin" target=3D"_blank">https://twitter.com/=
JeremyRubin</a>&gt;=C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin" t=
arget=3D"_blank">https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin</a>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <=
br>&gt; &gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM LORD HIS=
 EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev &lt; <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@l=
ists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundati=
on.org</a>&gt; wrote: <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Good Afternoon, <br>&gt; &gt;&g=
t;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; It has been reported that Taproot will enable =
some Monero like features including the ability to hide transactions. <br>&=
gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; If that is the case I offer a full N=
ACK and let me explain. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; A part =
of the benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full transaction is pub=
lished on the blockchain. If that were to change so that transactions may b=
e obfuscated from scrutiny then any government would have unlimited impetus=
 to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is the reason India has been repo=
rted to have banned cryptocurrencies already. <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt=
; &gt;&gt;&gt; I am in support of the expanded use case of Bitcoin without =
harming the established robust fairness and equal equity offered. The core =
functionality of Bitcoin, its values, must remain unaltered. <br>&gt; &gt;&=
gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; KING JAMES HRMH <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Great B=
ritish Empire <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Regards, <br>&gt;=
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S HRMH (&amp; HMRH) <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; of Hougun Manor &amp; Glencoe &am=
p; British Empire <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; MR. Damian A. James Williamson <br>=
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Wills <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; et al. =
<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&g=
t; Willtech <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.willtech.com.au" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">www.willtech.com.au</a> <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.go-overt.com" target=3D"_blank">www.go-overt.com</a> <br>&gt; &gt;=
&gt;&gt; and other projects <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>&gt; &gt;=
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://earn.com/willtech" target=3D"_blank">earn.com/wi=
lltech</a> <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://linkedin.com/in/damianwi=
lliamson" target=3D"_blank">linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson</a> <br>&gt; &=
gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; m. 0487135719 <br>&=
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