Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <tamas@bitsofproof.com>) id 1Wc7bT-00060c-Qs for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 06:21:19 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from wp059.webpack.hosteurope.de ([80.237.132.66]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1Wc7bQ-0004yf-FB for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 06:21:19 +0000 Received: from [37.143.74.116] (helo=[192.168.0.105]); authenticated by wp059.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) id 1Wc7bK-0007Rj-2o; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:21:10 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1EDBE2B6-634B-4AE4-9F21-38D8C130A653"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Tamas Blummer <tamas@bitsofproof.com> In-Reply-To: <CAPg+sBidnatH1RHZ02kn2K2Tkn1OGP9n+ieLJcT68C_s11Rpgg@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:21:17 +0200 Message-Id: <B54236EC-1B6A-4DA8-85E8-F3C0B11CDE8C@bitsofproof.com> References: <CAJKMfeQO6pyi5b-83FyMSHcq0Sa1QkP+RouQVBdCYPtXXboY8A@mail.gmail.com> <53540715.7050803@xylon.de> <1C408C12-B39B-46E4-B997-153D566158B1@swipeclock.com> <5354154C.1080908@olivere.de> <CANOOu=9=TAnaCuyh_P2GqHaguyY39xjhj84HSA_x+6F4MOqM_A@mail.gmail.com> <4098C706-D67F-474E-9C13-E4C8F56B41ED@swipeclock.com> <CAK2MuX3GufxU_AH0Kaw3pUkzgX_agok86ahCh+7r96UkxZwneQ@mail.gmail.com> <11664045-9CAB-4A9B-BE45-271496D870CD@swipeclock.com> <BLU402-EAS292E80B3A1FA891428B768C65E0@phx.gbl> <CAPg+sBidnatH1RHZ02kn2K2Tkn1OGP9n+ieLJcT68C_s11Rpgg@mail.gmail.com> To: Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; tamas@bitsofproof.com; 1398061276; 11c50613; X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1Wc7bQ-0004yf-FB Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] "bits": Unit of account X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 06:21:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1EDBE2B6-634B-4AE4-9F21-38D8C130A653 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_61B514C3-A422-4EAE-91B4-E13C1ACB0E4C" --Apple-Mail=_61B514C3-A422-4EAE-91B4-E13C1ACB0E4C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Here is one to please those looking for a =93fully qualified=94 slang = word, that links with the official XBT: xbit (spoken: ex-bit) would rationalise XBT (where X comes from = supranational use) and is unique. I personally associate from x to six also supporting the 1e-6 divisor of = Bitcoin. Regarding XBT: No matter who used it for what. The way Bloomberg will = use it will define its use in finance, and since that did not happen yet, we are not late to shape. Regards, Tamas Blummer http://bitsofproof.com On 21.04.2014, at 07:41, Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > On Apr 21, 2014 3:37 AM, "Un Ix" <slashdevnull@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Something tells me this would be reduced to a single syllable in = common usage I.e. bit. >=20 > What units will be called colloquially is not something developers = will determine. It will vary, depend on language and culture, and is not = relevant to this discussion in my opinion. >=20 > It may well be that people in some geographic or language area will = end up (or for a while) calling 1e-06 BTC "bits". That's fine, but using = that as "official" name in software would be very strange and = potentially confusing in my opinion. As mentioned by others, that would = seem to me like calling dollars "bucks" in bank software. Nobody seems = to have a problem with having colloquial names, but "US dollar" or = "euro" are far less ambiguous than "bit". I think we need a more = distinctive name. >=20 > --=20 > Pieter > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform > Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software > Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready > Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform > = http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform___________________________________________= ____ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development --Apple-Mail=_61B514C3-A422-4EAE-91B4-E13C1ACB0E4C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Here = is one to please those looking for a =93fully qualified=94 slang word, = that links with the official XBT:<div><br></div><div>xbit (spoken: = ex-bit) would rationalise XBT (where X comes from supranational use) and = is unique.<div apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br></div><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true">I personally associate from x to six also = supporting the 1e-6 divisor of Bitcoin.</div><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br></div><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true">Regarding XBT: No matter who used it for = what. The way Bloomberg will use it will define its use in = finance,</div><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">and since that did not = happen yet, we are not late to shape.</div><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true"><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: 2;"><span = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; = font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = 2; float: none; display: inline !important;">Regards,</span><br = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; = font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = 2;"><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; widows: = 2;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: = -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; = widows: 2; float: none; display: inline !important;">Tamas = Blummer</span><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: = -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; = widows: 2;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: = 0px;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: = -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; orphans: 2; = widows: 2; float: none; display: inline !important;"><a = href=3D"http://bitsofproof.com">http://bitsofproof.com</a></span> </span></div> <br><div><div>On 21.04.2014, at 07:41, Pieter Wuille <<a = href=3D"mailto:pieter.wuille@gmail.com">pieter.wuille@gmail.com</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><p dir=3D"ltr"><br> On Apr 21, 2014 3:37 AM, "Un Ix" <<a = href=3D"mailto:slashdevnull@hotmail.com">slashdevnull@hotmail.com</a>> = wrote:<br> ><br> > Something tells me this would be reduced to a single syllable in = common usage I.e. bit.</p><p dir=3D"ltr">What units will be called = colloquially is not something developers will determine. It will vary, = depend on language and culture, and is not relevant to this discussion = in my opinion.</p><p dir=3D"ltr">It may well be that people in some = geographic or language area will end up (or for a while) calling 1e-06 = BTC "bits". That's fine, but using that as "official" name in software = would be very strange and potentially confusing in my opinion. As = mentioned by others, that would seem to me like calling dollars "bucks" = in bank software. Nobody seems to have a problem with having colloquial = names, but "US dollar" or "euro" are far less ambiguous than "bit". I = think we need a more distinctive name.</p><p dir=3D"ltr">-- <br> Pieter<br> </p> = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----<br>Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform<br>Build = your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software<br>Java Based Open = Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready<br>Get Started Now And = Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform<br><a = href=3D"http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform___________________________________= ____________">http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform_____________________________= __________________</a><br>Bitcoin-development mailing = list<br>Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net<br>https://lists.sourcef= orge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development<br></blockquote></div><br></di= v></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_61B514C3-A422-4EAE-91B4-E13C1ACB0E4C-- --Apple-Mail=_1EDBE2B6-634B-4AE4-9F21-38D8C130A653 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTVLjdAAoJEPZykcUXcTkcYAwIAIX8njmv+E2Ro0I//zEn4frJ aw39M2CrCmbU1y5RavG5zYKqIr8YM3U90T7c+QwLDJeYkch6s1o68r5cNAUHBwTO FnI25gZDcYL0r+1kTgXHY+8ZDiXtM9sxyp/A3IbF8b9fWxfjud+8VBIF2pHEi2Mw jESk1MWb8JTUDjkqpjQyMZcQKKOiyS+oGcjjjOu6JYC28kBYf68FT3tCn0MLJbYH McFND0J4W961Qrl2yTh6y6G2iTNQcqE5p6mUvIZMXpL96DmXlge6U1LVYs++xHF9 Fj77L9ke/g3k63smawIoOykTbv2Vcf4mTOBK+vhVEx5l9GPHuF2qqhofQuD1VVU= =8U55 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_1EDBE2B6-634B-4AE4-9F21-38D8C130A653--