Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WagjY-00040F-9O for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:27:44 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.213.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.171; envelope-from=laanwj@gmail.com; helo=mail-ig0-f171.google.com; Received: from mail-ig0-f171.google.com ([209.85.213.171]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1WagjX-0005xy-Go for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:27:44 +0000 Received: by mail-ig0-f171.google.com with SMTP id c1so1981999igq.4 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:27:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.50.146 with SMTP id c18mr9108688igo.42.1397719658195; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.70.131 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:27:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:27:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: Wladimir To: Ben Carroll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca61eb8f1ca04f737f75b X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (laanwj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1WagjX-0005xy-Go Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Warning message when running wallet in Windows XP (or drop support?) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:27:44 -0000 --047d7bdca61eb8f1ca04f737f75b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Ben Carroll wrote: While forcefully dropping XP support would seem like a waste of time, and > somewhat arbitrary. If windows builds just stops working for XP, it just > stops working, however I don't foresee that happening. I would make a > reasonable guess that the client probably would even run without fuss on > Win2k. > The _WIN32_WINNT define that is used (0x0501) makes Windows XP the lowest version that the software will run on. It would be trivial to bump this to Windows Vista (0x0600). But in that case the user won't get a helpful message, the software will outright refuse to run. So I thought, maybe it makes sense to show a message that XP support is going to be removed - which must happen sooner or later. The insecurity of the platform adds urgence to this. So I thought "let's ask for advice on the mailing list". But what I get is contortions into unrelated topics (what does auto-update have to do with this?), paranoid banter about 'manipulating users', diversions into other topics. Sure, there's a thin line between being helpful and being seen as manipulative, but it's over the top to compare this with in-browser banners. It could be so much as a one-time message. But it's time to close this issue. I'll do nothing here. I will however stop testing on a Windows XP VM myself. Wladimir --047d7bdca61eb8f1ca04f737f75b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Ben Carroll <ben@q9y.net> wrote:=

While forcefully dropping XP support would seem like a was= te of time, and somewhat arbitrary. =C2=A0If windows builds just stops work= ing for XP, it just stops working, however I don't foresee that happeni= ng. =C2=A0I would make a reasonable guess that the client probably would ev= en run without fuss on Win2k.

The _WIN32_WINNT define that is used (0x05= 01) makes Windows XP the lowest version that the software will run on. It w= ould be trivial to bump this to Windows Vista (0x0600).

But in that case the user won't get a helpful message, the software wil= l outright refuse to run. So I thought, maybe it makes sense to show a mess= age that XP support is going to be removed - which must happen sooner or la= ter.

The insecurity of the platform adds urgence to this. So I th= ought "let's ask for advice on the mailing list".

But what I get is contortions into unrelated topics (what does auto-= update have to do with this?), paranoid banter about 'manipulating user= s', diversions into other topics. Sure, there's a thin line between= being helpful and being seen as manipulative, but it's over the top to= compare this with in-browser banners. It could be so much as a one-time me= ssage.

But it's time to close this issue. I'll do nothing here. I will= however stop testing on a Windows XP VM myself.

Wladimir=

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