Return-Path: <morcos@gmail.com> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E82A340A for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:50:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-it0-f41.google.com (mail-it0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73836433 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-f41.google.com with SMTP id e134so1929144ite.3 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:50:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=r+mBWK7utey7l0pMwjk157lZbsu2qHGdPJ90GDPvX+Y=; b=LuhLP4vxFhcg9WqeNua6UXB6czyL3KZBsvsXnlxIHfrDTsHBX73Jc4KPCEvvUzQdbe B9wtTVDpcDCeArariGK61/BVYdTi+uiJwIbIYEAQHar9nBkGT4LIQiWCoweyC26cDi/N KajGpneJDaqzR/oOmSEv8DnPRIDZRGWmSP1q0BzV7+5FhdiC/iKCK5vEdzXej7A2k+lp HdVuFZUCI05r/5Tiwc/kmx1JEZ2Q0EKue9BKfwJfciFFjA5BVRa4UQa4a3OyA62ZzNsq ygbRV5n0I3h/uwbxoVi1fx5SXmfNgTe+2V2LyZtUdA+WLKZ2XESrz0xjs8g4T57N6IT/ r3tg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=r+mBWK7utey7l0pMwjk157lZbsu2qHGdPJ90GDPvX+Y=; b=WZEB1P1DT1sq31vQnOxPXLUSxLyqFqAJIq5YpnQuaNyhLeljBfrXxcXdFo7n6kf8MD l50gzSQ1txYTtvgYbzYwwubYO/p0ZQcvBG6AQMr5JAP41q5Q2x+BKrggsu1r/Oj/LjN7 RcVuFEO1nI53alR7bSgIdGtUVxnA/bMqIcI3ErPklxfDXzFcpqSNtfTbT+/7aN0ZZOoi 90lv1WW/ORy5QDaDbTIRLS5Gk/xklx0epK1+Ebg2JjEPEyTcgpCte0SJyw6psRimcvqx G8NzVk79T1YML41dyvYs2R8N38tu+Xva8SrMmh+Gcxow196u5bXhL/rbZF1/TXkxMN3Y 1QTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWu/zO86c4n0f3yMosuoac5A2V4GbMMSYD66zWerWv+YV0yLh0T pcXXc2csdNcNjp+yKe++SXjuuwicACYNGBHpmPdF5A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDv0Nc+1y8KDsXU0qLIsJ8/TU4cbGv6ZgluXpg0qsXFUzGiwRJMcwxKKdRZ0/lDomii3UQfV6Ln1lXrgXV9Md0= X-Received: by 10.36.84.82 with SMTP id t79mr6837078ita.98.1506689430759; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 05:50:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <CAEgR2PGCZ=F85yjAbZgC6NtzhpdgBL3n4M2jowN12wJ7x-Ai1A@mail.gmail.com> <CAEgR2PGrxDQE0k8WX4XXz9GN-RAL6JB51ST9Hdz=ba36gRCa6A@mail.gmail.com> <CAEgR2PFjt=ihzRBhNXbHTAJz1R+3vz8o-zRZkDA3iBo39x9cTQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAEgR2PFfSjJjkTYq+DAmTzmkHPxqhn6fUDoXTzrRebz+OoUgqw@mail.gmail.com> <CAEgR2PG5ZueHKDXbsPDEjQG7xAYBa_JAtPZo9n1V2=STC1srpA@mail.gmail.com> <CAEgR2PGPQ1e9SmoWOS3V+N9v+OWiM4g3nPN3d9urc+DfkWEJ7A@mail.gmail.com> <CAEgR2PEKkHH6+Sh8cQGF83-s1tpwQZgd0fiuNz_xyWu0mUPfCA@mail.gmail.com> <CAEgR2PEyWFO1RFohVEpcb-M7aM-8xjCFvDPeJPD4zF4yTCyZ0A@mail.gmail.com> <CAEgR2PGrf+4pQRyNC_xKVEKXimKTWveGK9q6YJeZkG0_r=8tkg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAEgR2PGrf+4pQRyNC_xKVEKXimKTWveGK9q6YJeZkG0_r=8tkg@mail.gmail.com> From: Alex Morcos <morcos@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:50:20 +0000 Message-ID: <CAPWm=eUCQo+1+2SWjpWG1kcidcLcugwTvVbug6WNmZBRVm_ebg@mail.gmail.com> To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>, Daniele Pinna <daniele.pinna@gmail.com>, Mark@friedenbach.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1135045e4eb473055a53784d" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Rebatable fees & incentive-safe fee markets X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:50:33 -0000 --001a1135045e4eb473055a53784d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I had the same concern, or a miner could fill the remainder of the block with their own high fee paying transactions if blocks were required to be full. On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:55 AM Daniele Pinna via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Maybe I'm getting this wrong but wouldn't this scheme imply that a miner > is incentivized to limit the amount of transactions in a block to capture > the maximum fee of the ones included? > > As an example, mined blocks currently carry ~0.8 btc in fees right now. If > I were to submit a transaction paying 1 btc in maximal money fees, then the > miner would be incentivized to include my transaction alone to avoid that > lower fee paying transactions reduce the amount of fees he can earn from my > transaction alone. This would mean that I could literally clog the network > by paying 1btc every ten minutes. > > Am I missing something? > > Daniele > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --001a1135045e4eb473055a53784d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div><div dir=3D"auto">I had the same concern, or a miner could fill the re= mainder of the block with their own high fee paying transactions if blocks = were required to be full.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On= Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 7:55 AM Daniele Pinna via bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"= mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfounda= tion.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D= "margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D= "auto">Maybe I'm getting this wrong but wouldn't this scheme imply = that a miner is incentivized to limit the amount of transactions in a block= to capture the maximum fee of the ones included?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></di= v><div dir=3D"auto">As an example, mined blocks currently carry ~0.8 btc in= fees right now. If I were to submit a transaction paying 1 btc in maximal = money fees, then the miner would be incentivized to include my transaction = alone to avoid that lower fee paying transactions reduce the amount of fees= he can earn from my transaction alone. This would mean that I could litera= lly clog the network by paying 1btc every ten minutes.</div><div dir=3D"aut= o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Am I missing something?</div></div><div dir= =3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Daniele=C2=A0</div>= </div> _______________________________________________<br> bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> </blockquote></div></div> --001a1135045e4eb473055a53784d--