Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9648410AB for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 11:11:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from cock.li (cock.li [176.9.0.140]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1111BEC for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 11:11:14 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 11:11:12 +0000 From: Monarch To: Peter R In-Reply-To: <5A3D7824-F1E3-421B-A32A-0EF21DD215BD@gmx.com> References: <602b978abcedd92fbed85f305d9d7bfe@cock.li> <55E4B8C9.5030606@openbitcoinprivacyproject.org> <5A3D7824-F1E3-421B-A32A-0EF21DD215BD@gmx.com> Message-ID: <5b7c2ba6e785e59595c2ee9a4596f097@cock.li> X-Sender: monarch@cock.li User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.5 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 11:11:14 -0000 On 2015-08-31 23:32, Peter R wrote: > On 2015-08-31, at 2:24 PM, Allen Piscitello via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > It is my opinion, then, that we should support multiple > implementations of the Bitcoin protocol, working to reduce the > network's dependency on Core. > That would be incredibly foolish given the history, where even heroic attempts at making consensus compatible re-implementations have ended rather poorly. bitcoin-ruby and btcd have collectively had numerous consensus failures, some only recently found by fuzzing the scripting environment. There are more failures than publicly disclosed, and almost any failure can be leveraged to split the network and steal money. Ethereum attempted to create four clients, written to a defined specification, and even with all the money in the world has managed to have numerous consensus failures due to misunderstanding or implementation. > I agree. What about decentralization in development? Gavin recently > said that he wants to "get to the point where there will be multiple > robust implementations of the core protocol." > Gavin clearly hasn't kept up with the ridiculousness of that task.