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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors
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I think before we decide new BIP editors its important to discuss some=20
things about the process itself:

1. Quoting first paragraph from BIPs repo README: "People wishing to submit=
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BIPs, first should propose their idea or document to the=20
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org mailing list (do not assign a number=
=20
- read BIP 2 for the full process). After discussion, please open a PR.=20
After copy-editing and acceptance, it will be published here."

If Kanzure and Ruben are BIP editors, does it mean they can censor someone=
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from submitting BIPs? This question makes sense because they will have=20
control over the whole improvement process for "bitcoin" by being=20
moderators for mailing list and BIP editors.

2. How are numbers going to be assigned to BIPs?

3. Will there be copy of BIPs and pull requests maintained elsewhere like=
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bitcoin core?

4. What are the expectations from new BIP editors? In what situation do we=
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look for next BIP editors or in other words, what will be the process to=20
remove an editor if lot of people are unhappy with their work?

/dev/fd0
floppy disk guy

On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 9:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC David A. Harding wrote:

> On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
> > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I like Bob!".
>
> Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears to be
> the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks denote
> candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
>
> - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3],
> Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon=20
> Black[11],
> Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John Carvalho[16]
>
> - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], Michael
> Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
> Carvalho[16]
>
> - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],=20
> /dev/fd0[5][7],
> Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John Carvalho[16]
>
> - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris Stewart[3], John
> C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
> Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
>
> - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keagan
> McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12],
> Ava Chow[14]
>
> - Michael Folkson*
>
> Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for "non-dev
> triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and Antoine
> Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
>
> I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
> candidates had been especially active there, which is listed below as:
> total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
>
> - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
> - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
> - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
> - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
> - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
> - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
>
> I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to have a
> merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are far-along
> draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent Payments). I
> don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it demonstrates
> familiarity with the process.
>
> Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above with
> multiple recommendations from other community participants are fully
> qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed justification
> for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
> longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Corallo
> mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a draft
> BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of all 300
> pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has reviewed
> drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
> significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
> documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd ask him
> to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already doing,
> so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
>
> -Dave
>
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I think before we decide new BIP editors its important to discuss some thin=
gs about the process itself:<div><br /></div><div>1. Quoting first paragrap=
h from BIPs repo README: "People wishing to submit BIPs, first should propo=
se their idea or document to the bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org mail=
ing list (do not assign a number - read BIP 2 for the full process). After =
discussion, please open a PR. After copy-editing and acceptance, it will be=
 published here."</div><div><br /></div><div>If Kanzure and Ruben are BIP e=
ditors, does it mean they can censor someone from submitting BIPs? This que=
stion makes sense because they will have control over the whole improvement=
 process for "bitcoin" by being moderators for mailing list and BIP editors=
.</div><div><br /></div><div>2. How are numbers going to be assigned to BIP=
s?</div><div><br /></div><div>3. Will there be copy of BIPs and pull reques=
ts maintained elsewhere like bitcoin core?</div><div><br /></div><div>4. Wh=
at are the expectations from new BIP editors? In what situation do we look =
for next BIP editors or in other words, what will be the process to remove =
an editor if lot of people are unhappy with their work?</div><div><br /></d=
iv><div>/dev/fd0</div><div>floppy disk guy<br /><br /></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Monday, April 1, 2024=
 at 9:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC David A. Harding wrote:<br/></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rg=
b(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wro=
te:
<br>&gt; Please provide justification rather than simply saying &quot;I lik=
e Bob!&quot;.
<br>
<br>Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears to be
<br>the candidate list along with the current support.  Asterisks denote
<br>candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
<br>
<br>- Bryan &quot;Kanzure&quot; Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris S=
tewart[3],
<br>   Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon=20
<br>Black[11],
<br>   Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John Carvalho[16]
<br>
<br>- Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3], Michael
<br>   Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
<br>   Carvalho[16]
<br>
<br>- Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],=20
<br>/dev/fd0[5][7],
<br>   Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John Carvalho[16=
]
<br>
<br>- Olaoluwa &quot;Roasbeef&quot; Osuntokun, recommended by Chris Stewart=
[3], John
<br>   C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
<br>   Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
<br>
<br>- Mark &quot;Murch&quot; Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], K=
eagan
<br>   McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12=
],
<br>   Ava Chow[14]
<br>
<br>- Michael Folkson*
<br>
<br>Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for &quot;non-d=
ev
<br>triaging&quot;, Tonoski proposed himself[18] for &quot;BIP editor&quot;=
, and Antoine
<br>Riard[12] proposed Seccour for &quot;decentralized PM&quot;.
<br>
<br>I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
<br>candidates had been especially active there, which is listed below as:
<br>total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
<br>
<br>- 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
<br>- 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
<br>- 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
<br>- 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
<br>- 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
<br>- 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
<br>
<br>I&#39;ll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to have=
 a
<br>merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are far-alon=
g
<br>draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent Payments).  =
I
<br>don&#39;t think this should be a requirement, but I do think it demonst=
rates
<br>familiarity with the process.
<br>
<br>Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above with
<br>multiple recommendations from other community participants are fully
<br>qualified for the role, so I&#39;ll only provide a detailed justificati=
on
<br>for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
<br>longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Corallo
<br>mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a draft
<br>BIP.  In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of all 300
<br>pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has reviewed
<br>drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
<br>significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
<br>documentation.  To me, that seems very similar to the work we&#39;d ask=
 him
<br>to perform as a BIPs editor and it&#39;s something that he&#39;s alread=
y doing,
<br>so I think there&#39;s an excellent fit of person to role.
<br>
<br>-Dave
<br>
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