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Trusted to do = what exactly? What that government money doesn=E2=80=99t already do, = specifically. =20 > If it is not necessary to maintain consensus then what is consensus? =20 Nothing is =E2=80=9Cnecessary=E2=80=9D. Consensus is an agreement among = people. It=E2=80=99s voluntary. Any person can choose to leave, create = or join another consensus, or stay where they are. =20 > BCH exists in addition to BTC Bitcoin. =20 Exactly, people are free to do what they want. Nobody = =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D do anything except that which they want to do. = This and this alone is the =E2=80=9Chighest value=E2=80=9D if one = accepts the moral principle of non-aggression. You do not appear to, and = I=E2=80=99m afraid that may be well outside the consensus view among = core bitcoin developers (the people you are talking to). =20 e =20 From: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH =20 Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 6:55 PM To: Eric Voskuil ; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = Cc: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK =20 Good Afternoon,=20 =20 All people are entitled to privacy in their purse, and all transactions = should be open to the scrutiny of an honest government. You can debate = whether any government is honest. Mixing does not remove the record from = the public ledger, where it is possible to see that any Bitcoin has = transferred from an UTXO to some Pay-To address even with some amount of = transaction in between them. The value proposition is the same = = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dl9jOJk30eQs - because people will = trust the system; people trust the existing consensus. =20 Let us dispense with the screen and deal with the issue only. If it is = not necessary to maintain consensus then what is consensus? =20 The intrinsic value of Bitcoin is because of the existing consensus. = Even if any proposal gains consensus there is no objective way to show = it improves the intrinsic value without trialing and the possibility of = failure and so protecting the existing consensus should be the highest = value. This understanding is the reason BCH exists in addition to BTC = Bitcoin. =20 KING JAMES HRMH Great British Empire =20 Regards, The Australian LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire MR. Damian A. James Williamson Wills =20 et al. =20 =20 Willtech www.willtech.com.au www.go-overt.com and other projects =20 earn.com/willtech linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson =20 =20 m. 0487135719 f. +61261470192 =20 =20 This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this = email if misdelivered.=20 _____ =20 From: Eric Voskuil > Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 9:37 AM To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH >; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = > Cc: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK=20 =20 To be clear, is this a NACK because Taproot reduces = =E2=80=9Ctransparency=E2=80=9D (increases privacy) on the chain = (=E2=80=9Cmaintaining consensus=E2=80=9D is obviously an argument = against any protocol change, so that=E2=80=99s a red herring)?=20 =20 And is it your theory that only an =E2=80=9Chonest=E2=80=9D (statute = abiding) person should have privacy, and not against the state, and/or = that mixers are sufficient privacy? =20 Personally, I=E2=80=99m not moved by such an argument. What do you think = is the value proposition of Bitcoin? =20 e On Mar 1, 2021, at 14:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev = > wrote: =EF=BB=BF=20 Good Afternoon, =20 I am going to take tough terms with much of your reply and do appreciate = a courteous practice. Having previously made public disclosure of my = affiliation with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to disclose my = affiliation through the link in my email signature block. =20 My concern is not increased privacy it is maintaining consensus values = and the transparency of the blockchain wherein all transactions are = published in an immutable record and that forbids the redaction of = information by any obfuscation. A separate concern is the availability = of a privacy suitable for cash should a Bitcoin user desire and = especially without disturbing the existing consensus. =20 The use of a Bitcoin Mixer is to enable standard equivalent privacy. As = you may experience yourself, you do not allow people to follow you = around looking in your purse, suppose you are dealing entirely with = cash, and to see where and how much you fill it up, and where you spend. = Nonetheless, for an honest person, their wallet is available for = government audit as are their financial affairs. This is consistent with = the existing operation of consensus. =20 My full email signature block is a disclosure where I have some = affiliation with the referenced website being that it carries at least = some information that I have provided or that in some way I am = associated perhaps only making use of their services. For example, I = hardly make a profit from LinkedIn just my information is there. Also, I = have made previous public disclosure of the affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer = 2.0 is a partner mixer run by Jambler.io wherein I receive a service = referral fee and am not in receipt of any part of the process = transaction. The operation block diagram provided by Jambler.io is = provided here and attached. =20 [ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Operation of Jambler.io partner mixer https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fjambler.io%2Fimages%2Fschem= e-1.png = &t=3D622&c=3DgTi7r1cfh-yynw from this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D5267588 =20 =20 The installation script provided by Jambler.io that is the basis of my = referral website is also publicly published, https://github.com/jambler-io/bitcoin-mixer =20 The disclosure for the partner program is available from Jambler.io = however and is made prominently on my referral website. While it may = seem lucrative at first I insist all partner profits are reportable on = your personal income. https://jambler.io/become-partner.php =20 I am certainly better than confident that you appreciate the difference = between an open and transparent blockchain and the ability of the user = to not reveal details of the content of their wallet publicly. =20 If further clarification is required may I suggest you pay a token and = mix some Bitcoin wherein our discussion may then have some point of = reference. =20 KING JAMES HRMH Great British Empire =20 Regards, The Australian LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire MR. Damian A. James Williamson Wills =20 et al. =20 =20 Willtech www.willtech.com.au =20 www.go-overt.com =20 and other projects =20 earn.com/willtech linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson =20 =20 m. 0487135719 f. +61261470192 =20 =20 This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this = email if misdelivered. _____ =20 From: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces > Sent: Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 AM To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH >; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK=20 =20 Hello LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH I find a striking dichotomy between your concern of increased privacy in = bitcoin and your link to a bitcoin mixer in your signature = www.go-overt.com =20 At first your concerns seemed genuine but after seeing your promotion of = a bitcoin mixer I'm thinking your concerns may be more profit motivated? = I can't tell since you failed to disclose your relationship with the = mixer. Could you please clarify your association with the bitcoin mixer and = moving forward could you please always do proper disclosure any time = you're publically talking about bitcoin transaction privacy. It's only = fair to do so as to not mislead people in an attempt to manipulate at = worst and just a courteous practice at best. Cheers Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:36 AM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev > wrote:=20 Good Evening,=20 =20 Thank-you for your advice @JeremyRubin = on the basis you advise, "Taproot = does not enable monero-like privacy features", I am prepred to withdraw = my NACK notably that the existing feeatures of Bitcoin MUST be = maintained, and whereby the UTXO of a transaction is identifiable, the = PayTo Address, and the amount all without any obfuscation.=20 =20 Lightning does not really provide obfuscation, it provides a result of a = subset of transactions although the operation of the channel is = observable to the parties.=20 =20 The reports I were reading concerning the supposed operation of Taproot = published in a public media channel may have been speculation or = misinformation nonetheless it is prudent to conditionally reply as you = see that I have. It is important not to allow things to slip through the = cracks. As you may believe may astute reviewers could make a full = disclosure to this list it is not to be expected.=20 =20 KING JAMES HRMH=20 Great British Empire=20 =20 Regards,=20 The Australian=20 LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)=20 of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire=20 MR. Damian A. James Williamson=20 Wills=20 =20 et al.=20 =20 =20 Willtech=20 www.willtech.com.au=20 www.go-overt.com=20 and other projects=20 =20 earn.com/willtech=20 linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson=20 =20 =20 m. 0487135719=20 f. +61261470192=20 =20 =20 This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this = email if misdelivered.=20 _____ =20 From: Jeremy Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH >; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK=20 =20 I have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy = features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core, = taproot is a way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts less = expensive, done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy = dependent on user behavior (but not in the monero-like way you mention). = For example, it makes it possible for lightning channels to look = structurally similar to single key wallets, but it does nothing = inherently to obfuscate the transaction graph as in monero.=20 =20 Such "monero-like" transaction graph obfuscation may already exist in = Bitcoin via other techniques (coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, lightning, = etc) with or without Taproot, so the point is further moot.=20 =20 Do you have a source on your reporting?=20 =20 You may wish to rescind your nack.=20 =20 =20 --=20 @JeremyRubin =20 =20 =20 On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org = > wrote:=20 Good Afternoon,=20 =20 It has been reported that Taproot will enable some Monero like features = including the ability to hide transactions.=20 =20 If that is the case I offer a full NACK and let me explain.=20 =20 A part of the benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full = transaction is published on the blockchain. If that were to change so = that transactions may be obfuscated from scrutiny then any government = would have unlimited impetus to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is = the reason India has been reported to have banned cryptocurrencies = already.=20 =20 I am in support of the expanded use case of Bitcoin without harming the = established robust fairness and equal equity offered. The core = functionality of Bitcoin, its values, must remain unaltered.=20 =20 KING JAMES HRMH=20 Great British Empire=20 =20 Regards,=20 The Australian=20 LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)=20 of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire=20 MR. Damian A. James Williamson=20 Wills=20 =20 et al.=20 =20 =20 Willtech=20 www.willtech.com.au =20 www.go-overt.com =20 and other projects=20 =20 earn.com/willtech =20 linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson = =20 =20 =20 m. 0487135719=20 f. +61261470192=20 =20 =20 This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this = email if misdelivered.=20 _______________________________________________=20 bitcoin-dev mailing list=20 bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org = =20 https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev=20 =20 _____ =20 bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org = =20 https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org = =20 https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01D70FE1.1329BE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> and all transactions should be = open to the scrutiny of an honest government.

 

From = what do you derive the moral judgement =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D in this = context?

 

> The = value proposition is =E2=80=A6 because people will trust the = system?

 

So, = it=E2=80=99s valuable because it=E2=80=99s trusted? Trusted to do what = exactly? What that government money doesn=E2=80=99t already do, = specifically.

 

> If = it is not necessary to maintain consensus then what is = consensus?

 

Nothing = is =E2=80=9Cnecessary=E2=80=9D. Consensus is an agreement among people. = It=E2=80=99s voluntary. Any person can choose to leave, create or join = another consensus, or stay where they are.

 

> BCH = exists in addition to BTC Bitcoin.

 

Exactly, = people are free to do what they want. Nobody =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D do = anything except that which they want to do. This and this alone is the = =E2=80=9Chighest value=E2=80=9D if one accepts the moral principle of = non-aggression. You do not appear to, and I=E2=80=99m afraid that may be = well outside the consensus view among core bitcoin developers (the = people you are talking to).

 

e

 

From: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES = HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, = 2021 6:55 PM
To: Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil.org>; = Bitcoin Protocol Discussion = <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Ariel = Lorenzo-Luaces <arielluaces@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: = [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

 

Good= Afternoon,

 

All people are = entitled to privacy in their purse, and all transactions should be open = to the scrutiny of an honest government. You can debate whether any = government is honest. Mixing does not remove the record from the public = ledger, where it is possible to see that any Bitcoin has transferred = from an UTXO to some Pay-To address even with some amount of transaction = in between them. The value proposition is the same https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dl9jOJk30eQs - because people will trust the system; people trust the = existing consensus.

 

Let us dispense with = the screen and deal with the issue only. If it is not necessary to = maintain consensus then what is consensus?

 

The intrinsic value = of Bitcoin is because of the existing consensus. Even if any proposal = gains consensus there is no objective way to show it improves the = intrinsic value without trialing and the possibility of failure and so = protecting the existing consensus should be the highest value. This = understanding is the reason BCH exists in addition to BTC = Bitcoin.

 

KING JAMES = HRMH

Great British = Empire

 

Regards,

The = Australian

LORD HIS EXCELLENCY = JAMES HRMH (& HMRH)

of Hougun Manor = & Glencoe & British Empire

MR. Damian A. James = Williamson

Wills

 

et al.

 

 

Willtech

www.willtech.com.au

www.go-overt.com

and other = projects

 

earn.com/willtech

linkedin.com/in/damia= nwilliamson

 

 

m. = 0487135719

f. = +61261470192

 

 

This email does not constitute a general advice. Please = disregard this email if misdelivered.

From: Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil.org>
Sent:= Tuesday, 2 March 2021 9:37 AM
To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES = HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; = Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces <arielluaces@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK =

 

To be clear, is this a NACK because Taproot reduces = =E2=80=9Ctransparency=E2=80=9D (increases privacy) on the chain = (=E2=80=9Cmaintaining consensus=E2=80=9D is obviously an argument = against any protocol change, so that=E2=80=99s a red = herring)? 

 

And is it your theory that only an = =E2=80=9Chonest=E2=80=9D (statute abiding) person should have privacy, = and not against the state, and/or that mixers are sufficient = privacy?

 

Personally, I=E2=80=99m not moved by such an argument. = What do you think is the value proposition of = Bitcoin?

 

e



On Mar 1, 2021, at 14:21, LORD HIS = EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org> = wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Good = Afternoon,

 

=

I = am going to take tough terms with much of your reply and do appreciate a = courteous practice. Having previously made public disclosure of my = affiliation with Jambler.io it seems sufficient to disclose my = affiliation through the link in my email signature = block.

 

=

My concern is not increased = privacy it is maintaining consensus values and the transparency of the = blockchain wherein all transactions are published in an immutable record = and that forbids the redaction of information by any obfuscation. A = separate concern is the availability of a privacy suitable for cash = should a Bitcoin user desire and especially without disturbing the = existing consensus.

 

=

The use of a Bitcoin Mixer is to = enable standard equivalent privacy. As you may experience yourself, you = do not allow people to follow you around looking in your purse, suppose = you are dealing entirely with cash, and to see where and how much you = fill it up, and where you spend. Nonetheless, for an honest person, = their wallet is available for government audit as are their financial = affairs. This is consistent with the existing operation of = consensus.

 

=

My full email signature block is = a disclosure where I have some affiliation with the referenced website = being that it carries at least some information that I have provided or = that in some way I am associated perhaps only making use of their = services. For example, I hardly make a profit from LinkedIn just my = information is there. Also, I have made previous public disclosure of = the affiliation. Bitcoin Mixer 2.0 is a partner mixer run by Jambler.io = wherein I receive a service referral fee and am not in receipt of any = part of the process transaction. The operation block diagram provided by = Jambler.io is provided here and = attached.

<ip.bitcointalk.org.png>

 

=

[ip.bitcointalk.org.png]-Operation= of Jambler.io partner mixer

=

 

=

The installation script provided = by Jambler.io that is the basis of my referral website is also publicly = published,

 

The disclosure for the partner = program is available from Jambler.io however and is made prominently on = my referral website. While it may seem lucrative at first I insist all = partner profits are reportable on your personal = income.

 

=

I = am certainly better than confident that you appreciate the difference = between an open and transparent blockchain and the ability of the user = to not reveal details of the content of their wallet = publicly.

 

=

If further clarification is = required may I suggest you pay a token and mix some Bitcoin wherein our = discussion may then have some point of = reference.

 

KING JAMES = HRMH

Great British = Empire

 

=

Regards,

The = Australian

LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH = (& HMRH)

of Hougun Manor & Glencoe = & British Empire

MR. = Damian A. James Williamson

Wills

<= div>

 

=

et = al.

 

=

 

=

Willtech

and other = projects

 

=

earn.com/willtech

linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson

 

=

 

=

m. = 0487135719

f. = +61261470192

 

=

 

=

This = email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this email = if misdelivered.

=

From: Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces <arielluaces@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 1 March 2021 12:07 AM
To: LORD HIS = EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; = Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot = NACK

 

Hello LORD HIS = EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH

I find a striking dichotomy between your = concern of increased privacy in bitcoin and your link to a bitcoin mixer = in your signature www.go-overt.com

At first your = concerns seemed genuine but after seeing your promotion of a bitcoin = mixer I'm thinking your concerns may be more profit motivated? I can't = tell since you failed to disclose your relationship with the = mixer.

Could you please clarify your association = with the bitcoin mixer and moving forward could you please always do = proper disclosure any time you're publically talking about bitcoin = transaction privacy. It's only fair to do so as to not mislead people in = an attempt to manipulate at worst and just a courteous practice at = best.

Cheers

Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces

On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:36 AM, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES = HRMH via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: =

Good Evening, =

 

Thank-you for your advice   @JeremyRubin  on the basis you advise, = "Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy features", I am = prepred to withdraw my NACK notably that the existing feeatures of = Bitcoin MUST be maintained, and whereby the UTXO of a transaction is = identifiable, the PayTo Address, and the amount all without any = obfuscation.

 

Lightning does not really = provide obfuscation, it provides a result of a subset of transactions = although the operation of the channel is observable to the parties. =

 

The = reports I were reading concerning the supposed operation of Taproot = published in a public media channel may have been speculation or = misinformation nonetheless it is prudent to conditionally reply as you = see that I have. It is important not to allow things to slip through the = cracks. As you may believe may astute reviewers could make a full = disclosure to this list it is not to be expected. =

 

KING = JAMES HRMH

Great British Empire =

 

Regards, =

The Australian =

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of Hougun Manor & Glencoe = & British Empire

MR. Damian A. James Williamson =

Wills

 

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From: Jeremy <jlrubin@mit.edu>
Sent: = Sunday, 28 February 2021 3:14 AM
To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES = HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; = Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot = NACK

  =

I = have good news for you: Taproot does not enable monero-like privacy = features any moreso than already exist in Bitcoin today. At its core, = taproot is a way to make transactions with embedded smart contracts less = expensive, done so in a manner that may marginally improve privacy = dependent on user behavior (but not in the monero-like way you mention). = For example, it makes it possible for lightning channels to look = structurally similar to single key wallets, but it does nothing = inherently to obfuscate the transaction graph as in monero. =

 

Suc= h "monero-like" transaction graph obfuscation may already = exist in Bitcoin via other techniques (coinjoin, payjoin, coinswap, = lightning, etc) with or without Taproot, so the point is further moot. =

 

Do = you have a source on your reporting?

 

You= may wish to rescind your nack.

 

 

 

 

On = Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:46 AM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via = bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.l= inuxfoundation.org> wrote:

Good = Afternoon,

 

=

It has been reported that Taproot = will enable some Monero like features including the ability to hide = transactions.

 

=

If that is the case I offer a = full NACK and let me explain.

 

=

A = part of the benefit of using Bitcoin is its honesty. The full = transaction is published on the blockchain. If that were to change so = that transactions may be obfuscated from scrutiny then any government = would have unlimited impetus to ban Bitcoin, and speculation has that is = the reason India has been reported to have banned cryptocurrencies = already.

 

=

I = am in support of the expanded use case of Bitcoin without harming the = established robust fairness and equal equity offered. The core = functionality of Bitcoin, its values, must remain unaltered. =

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>KING = JAMES HRMH

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MR. = Damian A. James Williamson

Wills =

 

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et al. =

 

=

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