Return-Path: <ahmedzsales18@gmail.com> Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC7561321 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 22:02:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f42.google.com (mail-vk0-f42.google.com [209.85.213.42]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 352B11B0 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 22:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vkbf67 with SMTP id f67so60018579vkb.0 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 15:02:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=evOFLPilh0wo8X12N1HIXjNhyFm4DV746ZN21U6G9kI=; b=L4G5vStBnFqiSJZatjCTsZeZnPrOJtPWKbHAnPZaY3xyjMLiKkOoCr9ZQoVByEvF+2 vz9uKPTXSMTfTK6tJC3eApzhzvpd5oHkQkg5Dchq07wbM9jCTjYR+XPvjCNWGLRuHXFK 1SfiZW2t9Xk6+TCIF56q3eT58L4xHUvq6RlHFcH9Aja18CfaXbWsDuJ0GDE92BhLkC7v uSTJ+InvlGZuCHeSPQahlPn2AS5MoSvB9PYGZJKOOHvwjkgk/vfTzFy8HsaQhWFU2qxB Bdxi7tXunErkhDA/CjrsBjUl26A3RGHN/Y4W9vxSbIyS4Ciniadi9uB5mS44M4EhD5hX VXGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.243.232 with SMTP id xb8mr31829995vdc.40.1441144956292; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 15:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.109.134 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 15:02:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55E61A64.2030609@bitcoins.info> References: <CADr=VrRT2tdN0jjkZ7HjjeyqonrHG=j+uh8m1L2nhew7c1gnng@mail.gmail.com> <CADJgMztScEsDEy277Jksy2RckbpzeRw6RbQzyVrdkjJSS=hHPA@mail.gmail.com> <CADr=VrQ42Gqv7fUFVpaburw0=08SNXb0TUCBWd3arREbpdfCkA@mail.gmail.com> <55E61A64.2030609@bitcoins.info> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 23:02:36 +0100 Message-ID: <CADr=VrQeQ2=Htcen-oJrJWWhf5aQ8-cjYK28ic1UWNFWMf2nDQ@mail.gmail.com> From: Ahmed Zsales <ahmedzsales18@gmail.com> To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1d63e309488051eb6b5e3 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Open Block Chain Licence, BIP[xxxx] Draft X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 22:02:37 -0000 --001a11c1d63e309488051eb6b5e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Russ, The general points and questions you have raised are covered in the draft BIP: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBMVFxajNZa2hzMTg/view?usp=sharing Regards, Ahmed On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > We considered whether data existing before a licence change would be >> covered, but we hadn't factored the potential need for gaining >> permissions for a change to be considered effective. >> >> We have proposed that miners be the main beneficiaries of licensing and >> there is a consideration on whether they should vote to adopt the new >> terms. While not the preferred route, that would overcome any issues to >> what is an otherwise honest 'error and omission.' There doesn't seem to >> be anyone who could claim to have suffered any economic losses so this >> may not be an issue. It merits further investigation. >> > > Like I said, you need to talk to a lawyer. What exactly would be the > purpose of any license? How can someone be a "beneficiary" to a license > when you can't even explain who holds the license to begin with? How do > they "benefit?" I don't see any purpose to putting a license on the Core > software or the blockchain because nobody can explain who actually holds > the license and there is no mechanism to enforce any license and there is > no revenue to be shared. The whole discussion makes no sense. > > Russ > > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --001a11c1d63e309488051eb6b5e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Russ,</div><div><br></div>The general points and ques= tions you have raised are covered in the draft BIP:<div><br></div><div><a h= ref=3D"https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBMVFxajNZa2hzMTg/view?us= p=3Dsharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwEbhrQ4ELzBMVFxajNZa2hzMTg/v= iew?usp=3Dsharing</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br><= /div><div>Ahmed</div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai= l_quote">On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev <sp= an dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"= target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wro= te:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;= border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:= solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:r= gb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> We considered whether data existing before a licence change would be<br> covered, but we hadn't factored the potential need for gaining<br> permissions for a change to be considered effective.<br> <br> We have proposed that miners be the main beneficiaries of licensing and<br> there is a consideration on whether they should vote to adopt the new<br> terms. While not the preferred route, that would overcome any issues to<br> what is an otherwise honest 'error and omission.' There doesn't= seem to<br> be anyone who could claim to have suffered any economic losses so this<br> may not be an issue. It merits further investigation.<br> </blockquote> <br></span> Like I said, you need to talk to a lawyer.=C2=A0 What exactly would be the = purpose of any license?=C2=A0 How can someone be a "beneficiary" = to a license when you can't even explain who holds the license to begin= with?=C2=A0 How do they "benefit?"=C2=A0 I don't see any pur= pose to putting a license on the Core software or the blockchain because no= body can explain who actually holds the license and there is no mechanism t= o enforce any license and there is no revenue to be shared.=C2=A0 The whole= discussion makes no sense.<br> <br> Russ<div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> bitcoin-dev mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">= bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div> --001a11c1d63e309488051eb6b5e3--