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IPv4 came before IPv6=E2=80=A6you pick up on things quickly :)

> On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Marcel Jamin <marcel@jamin.net> wrote:
>=20
> > At the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the Windows =
PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before =
Facebook=E2=80=A6
>=20
> And TCP/IP came before... oh wait...
>=20
> 2015-06-19 14:02 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com =
<mailto:elombrozo@gmail.com>>:
>=20
>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Dr Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org =
<mailto:adam@cypherspace.org>> wrote:
>>=20
>> That wont be good for the companies either, but they may not see that
>> until they've killed it, many companies operate on a1 or 2 year
>> time-horizon.  They may say screw layer2, I have a runway and I need
>> micropayments to the wazoo and I dont have the dev resources for =
that.
>=20
> Exactly, Adam.
>=20
> Except, I think the genie is out of the bottle - these ideas are too =
powerful for them to be killed forever. They will probably survive even =
if this scenario comes to pass=E2=80=A6but in a different network under =
a different name=E2=80=A6and Bitcoin will be relegated to the history =
books and walls of museums.
>=20
> Most of the potential brainpower available on this Earth to make =
serious, profound contributions to this movement haven=E2=80=99t even =
begun to touch it. Just because you happen to run a Bitcoin startup =
right now=E2=80=A6even if you=E2=80=99ve received millions of dollars in =
funding=E2=80=A6don=E2=80=99t think that the whole world has low =
standards and is lazy! Someone WILL eventually build something better =
than we can presently imagine.
>=20
> First mover advantage and the network effect are vastly overrated. At =
the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the Windows PC=E2=80=A6Ya=
hoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before Facebook=E2=80=A6Bitco=
in came before <we don=E2=80=99t know yet>.
>=20
>=20
> - Eric Lombrozo
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">IPv4 came before IPv6=E2=80=A6you pick up on things quickly =
:)<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Marcel Jamin =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marcel@jamin.net" =
class=3D"">marcel@jamin.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">&gt;&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" =
class=3D"">At the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the =
Windows PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before =
Facebook=E2=80=A6</span><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" class=3D"">And TCP/IP came =
before... oh wait...</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-06-19 14:02 GMT+02:00 Eric =
Lombrozo <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:elombrozo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">elombrozo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br class=3D""><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Dr Adam Back &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:adam@cypherspace.org" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">adam@cypherspace.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">That wont be =
good for the companies either, but they may not see that</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">until they've =
killed it, many companies operate on a1 or 2 year</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" =
class=3D"">time-horizon.&nbsp; They may say screw layer2, I have a =
runway and I need</span><br =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
pacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">micropayments =
to the wazoo and I dont have the dev resources for =
that.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Exactly, Adam.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Except, I think the genie is out of the bottle - these ideas =
are too powerful for them to be killed forever. They will probably =
survive even if this scenario comes to pass=E2=80=A6but in a different =
network under a different name=E2=80=A6and Bitcoin will be relegated to =
the history books and walls of museums.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Most of the potential brainpower =
available on this Earth to make serious, profound contributions to this =
movement haven=E2=80=99t even begun to touch it. Just because you happen =
to run a Bitcoin startup right now=E2=80=A6even if you=E2=80=99ve =
received millions of dollars in funding=E2=80=A6don=E2=80=99t think that =
the whole world has low standards and is lazy! Someone WILL eventually =
build something better than we can presently imagine.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">First mover advantage =
and the network effect are vastly overrated. At the risk of stating =
cliches, the Mac came before the Windows PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before =
Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before Facebook=E2=80=A6Bitcoin came before =
&lt;we don=E2=80=99t know yet&gt;.</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- Eric =
Lombrozo</div></font></span></div><br =
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