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[76.167.237.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ym6sm11277991pac.32.2015.06.19.05.49.52 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4A34BC68-E08F-4A27-943F-75750A1A53D6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAAUq484+QTZvvd6xEw-wNdvZ+LNSi0Ug5xc0q=tD6nBP8V3=Qw@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:49:51 -0700 Message-Id: <7E481937-9936-40FA-9BE5-E9FD73A3ECE5@gmail.com> References: <CALqxMTGCkTZAs74bXk57L6JWK29Xzbn1ZUkWN_NuBp+EufjEQg@mail.gmail.com> <CALqxMTFx6DF0Re+pCwB1AjYo6eYuKtX1cqUpo=wXmHSOsN74dQ@mail.gmail.com> <378F00E0-9F14-45E7-9395-B5C1324A81F2@gmail.com> <CAAUq484+QTZvvd6xEw-wNdvZ+LNSi0Ug5xc0q=tD6nBP8V3=Qw@mail.gmail.com> To: Marcel Jamin <marcel@jamin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (elombrozo[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Z5vkH-0001UE-9K Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] improving development model (Re: Concerns Regarding Threats by a Developer to Remove Commit Access from Other Developers X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:50:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4A34BC68-E08F-4A27-943F-75750A1A53D6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0357BA81-5300-4B82-A5E2-5C2D10CC410A" --Apple-Mail=_0357BA81-5300-4B82-A5E2-5C2D10CC410A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 IPv4 came before IPv6=E2=80=A6you pick up on things quickly :) > On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Marcel Jamin <marcel@jamin.net> wrote: >=20 > > At the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the Windows = PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before = Facebook=E2=80=A6 >=20 > And TCP/IP came before... oh wait... >=20 > 2015-06-19 14:02 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com = <mailto:elombrozo@gmail.com>>: >=20 >> On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Dr Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org = <mailto:adam@cypherspace.org>> wrote: >>=20 >> That wont be good for the companies either, but they may not see that >> until they've killed it, many companies operate on a1 or 2 year >> time-horizon. They may say screw layer2, I have a runway and I need >> micropayments to the wazoo and I dont have the dev resources for = that. >=20 > Exactly, Adam. >=20 > Except, I think the genie is out of the bottle - these ideas are too = powerful for them to be killed forever. They will probably survive even = if this scenario comes to pass=E2=80=A6but in a different network under = a different name=E2=80=A6and Bitcoin will be relegated to the history = books and walls of museums. >=20 > Most of the potential brainpower available on this Earth to make = serious, profound contributions to this movement haven=E2=80=99t even = begun to touch it. Just because you happen to run a Bitcoin startup = right now=E2=80=A6even if you=E2=80=99ve received millions of dollars in = funding=E2=80=A6don=E2=80=99t think that the whole world has low = standards and is lazy! Someone WILL eventually build something better = than we can presently imagine. >=20 > First mover advantage and the network effect are vastly overrated. At = the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the Windows PC=E2=80=A6Ya= hoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before Facebook=E2=80=A6Bitco= in came before <we don=E2=80=99t know yet>. >=20 >=20 > - Eric Lombrozo >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net = <mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development = <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development> >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_0357BA81-5300-4B82-A5E2-5C2D10CC410A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D"">IPv4 came before IPv6=E2=80=A6you pick up on things quickly = :)<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Marcel Jamin = <<a href=3D"mailto:marcel@jamin.net" = class=3D"">marcel@jamin.net</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"">> <span style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" = class=3D"">At the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the = Windows PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before = Facebook=E2=80=A6</span><div class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907349px" class=3D"">And TCP/IP came = before... oh wait...</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-06-19 14:02 GMT+02:00 Eric = Lombrozo <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a = href=3D"mailto:elombrozo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">elombrozo@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class=3D""><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D""><br= class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Dr Adam Back <<a = href=3D"mailto:adam@cypherspace.org" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">adam@cypherspace.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div = class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia= nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text= -align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s= pacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">That wont be = good for the companies either, but they may not see that</span><br = style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia= nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text= -align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s= pacing:0px" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia= nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text= -align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s= pacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">until they've = killed it, many companies operate on a1 or 2 year</span><br = style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia= nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text= -align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s= pacing:0px" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia= nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text= -align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s= pacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" = class=3D"">time-horizon. They may say screw layer2, I have a = runway and I need</span><br = style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia= nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text= -align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s= pacing:0px" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia= nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text= -align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s= pacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important" class=3D"">micropayments = to the wazoo and I dont have the dev resources for = that.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><div = class=3D"">Exactly, Adam.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Except, I think the genie is out of the bottle - these ideas = are too powerful for them to be killed forever. They will probably = survive even if this scenario comes to pass=E2=80=A6but in a different = network under a different name=E2=80=A6and Bitcoin will be relegated to = the history books and walls of museums.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Most of the potential brainpower = available on this Earth to make serious, profound contributions to this = movement haven=E2=80=99t even begun to touch it. Just because you happen = to run a Bitcoin startup right now=E2=80=A6even if you=E2=80=99ve = received millions of dollars in funding=E2=80=A6don=E2=80=99t think that = the whole world has low standards and is lazy! Someone WILL eventually = build something better than we can presently imagine.</div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">First mover advantage = and the network effect are vastly overrated. At the risk of stating = cliches, the Mac came before the Windows PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before = Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before Facebook=E2=80=A6Bitcoin came before = <we don=E2=80=99t know yet>.</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font = color=3D"#888888" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- Eric = Lombrozo</div></font></span></div><br = class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------<br class=3D""> <br class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br = class=3D""> Bitcoin-development mailing list<br class=3D""> <a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" = class=3D"">Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br class=3D""> <a = href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-developmen= t</a><br class=3D""> <br class=3D""></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div> </div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_0357BA81-5300-4B82-A5E2-5C2D10CC410A-- --Apple-Mail=_4A34BC68-E08F-4A27-943F-75750A1A53D6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVhA/vAAoJEJNAI64YFENUiAoP/jiAvZ/c1sklq7n7euZJ5NTI Fzirq9Gdue6ZspOUPNhL3E0IJ5xsn+hp03vxKtd5MAPy1iAN2Oxdu/3brYuYTWBB d2hK7XVhva842k+cKr+i5ngAde+PPjYCxH9YeygCHnQdqPf+bQddhNfWadrL1L11 IRzEcBjlVu8LwfxtTXNvDBCyulpqaYQ2HSk5chBt0aOZ9fNfxkqKFDcF4VrfShH6 KU67qyd2a0u3EoDOl141s86u2Xt+Keqt9/UdlZ0VjQAxcCmYXtU6EyQGZZNgKca1 KFTk6dqxCS5dRhZ6lTZnm0UIy051WoifbgAVH25ToKgIYXY/AkgZ86V4KZpFO/9R UGVLyED6PsCSYoJZgM9Tr48kC1X2AvLdJ6/Ftyu2hACBJRkdmB8rHT91feWVbI33 4G+YljjgQ027IsUkhb/F3CYGnqRH7oRtC2jbBlPgYK02X6Da1rTZGAiFuP3cBl9t F5gi6uQfLZK9cQEdKR/B7yyUTCCjxL4ZgeFA9CD7NQEvfeHVpjklsN4T0b7IXGgh ZtdxgEqlf1NmmoEc1uTC8RsiqTpWXOsKzkWufR+tw/0siY5PGGdHYatSZfigN4Hm IcqUi9h2byKaqvl5DJqBhPyQLilvDoMPG7KQGjcUHu+GRCdBxNyqogt2QbpBYKHU nG33kKg11ngvd+1LOYKa =2NLW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_4A34BC68-E08F-4A27-943F-75750A1A53D6--