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[76.167.237.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ym6sm11277991pac.32.2015.06.19.05.49.52 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4A34BC68-E08F-4A27-943F-75750A1A53D6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: Eric Lombrozo In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 05:49:51 -0700 Message-Id: <7E481937-9936-40FA-9BE5-E9FD73A3ECE5@gmail.com> References: <378F00E0-9F14-45E7-9395-B5C1324A81F2@gmail.com> To: Marcel Jamin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (elombrozo[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Z5vkH-0001UE-9K Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] improving development model (Re: Concerns Regarding Threats by a Developer to Remove Commit Access from Other Developers X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 12:50:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4A34BC68-E08F-4A27-943F-75750A1A53D6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0357BA81-5300-4B82-A5E2-5C2D10CC410A" --Apple-Mail=_0357BA81-5300-4B82-A5E2-5C2D10CC410A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 IPv4 came before IPv6=E2=80=A6you pick up on things quickly :) > On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Marcel Jamin wrote: >=20 > > At the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the Windows = PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before = Facebook=E2=80=A6 >=20 > And TCP/IP came before... oh wait... >=20 > 2015-06-19 14:02 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo >: >=20 >> On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Dr Adam Back > wrote: >>=20 >> That wont be good for the companies either, but they may not see that >> until they've killed it, many companies operate on a1 or 2 year >> time-horizon. They may say screw layer2, I have a runway and I need >> micropayments to the wazoo and I dont have the dev resources for = that. >=20 > Exactly, Adam. >=20 > Except, I think the genie is out of the bottle - these ideas are too = powerful for them to be killed forever. They will probably survive even = if this scenario comes to pass=E2=80=A6but in a different network under = a different name=E2=80=A6and Bitcoin will be relegated to the history = books and walls of museums. >=20 > Most of the potential brainpower available on this Earth to make = serious, profound contributions to this movement haven=E2=80=99t even = begun to touch it. Just because you happen to run a Bitcoin startup = right now=E2=80=A6even if you=E2=80=99ve received millions of dollars in = funding=E2=80=A6don=E2=80=99t think that the whole world has low = standards and is lazy! Someone WILL eventually build something better = than we can presently imagine. >=20 > First mover advantage and the network effect are vastly overrated. At = the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the Windows PC=E2=80=A6Ya= hoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before Facebook=E2=80=A6Bitco= in came before . >=20 >=20 > - Eric Lombrozo >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net = > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development = >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_0357BA81-5300-4B82-A5E2-5C2D10CC410A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 IPv4 came before IPv6=E2=80=A6you pick up on things quickly = :)

On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Marcel Jamin = <marcel@jamin.net> wrote:

> At the risk of stating cliches, the Mac came before the = Windows PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before = Facebook=E2=80=A6

And TCP/IP came = before... oh wait...

2015-06-19 14:02 GMT+02:00 Eric = Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com>:
On Jun 19, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Dr Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org> wrote:

That wont be = good for the companies either, but they may not see that
until they've = killed it, many companies operate on a1 or 2 year
time-horizon.  They may say screw layer2, I have a = runway and I need
micropayments = to the wazoo and I dont have the dev resources for = that.

Exactly, Adam.

Except, I think the genie is out of the bottle - these ideas = are too powerful for them to be killed forever. They will probably = survive even if this scenario comes to pass=E2=80=A6but in a different = network under a different name=E2=80=A6and Bitcoin will be relegated to = the history books and walls of museums.

Most of the potential brainpower = available on this Earth to make serious, profound contributions to this = movement haven=E2=80=99t even begun to touch it. Just because you happen = to run a Bitcoin startup right now=E2=80=A6even if you=E2=80=99ve = received millions of dollars in funding=E2=80=A6don=E2=80=99t think that = the whole world has low standards and is lazy! Someone WILL eventually = build something better than we can presently imagine.

First mover advantage = and the network effect are vastly overrated. At the risk of stating = cliches, the Mac came before the Windows PC=E2=80=A6Yahoo! came before = Google=E2=80=A6MySpace came before Facebook=E2=80=A6Bitcoin came before = <we don=E2=80=99t know yet>.


- Eric = Lombrozo

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