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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Automatically reverting ("transitory") soft forks,
 e.g. for CTV
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On 4/22/22 9:28 AM, James O'Beirne wrote:
>  > There are at least three or four separate covenants designs that have
>  > been posted to this list, and I don't see why we're even remotely
>  > talking about a specific one as something to move forward with at
>  > this point.
> 
> To my knowledge none of these other proposals (drafts, really) have
> actual implementations let alone the many sample usages that exist for
> CTV.

You can fix this! Don't point to something you can easily remedy in the short-term as an argument 
for or against something in the long-term.

> Given that the "covenants" discussion has been ongoing for years
> now, I think the lack of other serious proposals is indicative of the
> difficulty inherent in coming up with a preferable alternative to CTV.

I'd think its indicative of the lack of interest in serious covenants designs from many of the 
highly-qualified people who could be working on them. There are many reasons for that. If there's 
one positive thing from the current total mess, its that hopefully there will be a renewed interest 
in researching things and forming conclusions.


> CTV is about as simple a covenant system as can be devised - its limits
> relative to more "general" covenant designs notwithstanding.
> The level of review around CTV's design is well beyond the other
> sketches for possible designs that this list has seen.

[citation needed]

Matt