Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YWXRT-0007lF-6G for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 21:48:27 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.223.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.179; envelope-from=mh.in.england@gmail.com; helo=mail-ie0-f179.google.com; Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com ([209.85.223.179]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YWXRR-0006HP-UN for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 21:48:27 +0000 Received: by ieclw3 with SMTP id lw3so128852684iec.2 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:48:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.247.68 with SMTP id mb4mr60532270icb.2.1426283297561; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: mh.in.england@gmail.com Received: by 10.36.54.147 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:48:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55034205.4030607@localhost.local> References: <55034205.4030607@localhost.local> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:48:17 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZtBtPNhdGgtNxJ0M8ByWWgkr_KE Message-ID: From: Mike Hearn To: Justus Ranvier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba1ef2ea4ce45d051132750e X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mh.in.england[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1YWXRR-0006HP-UN Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Criminal complaints against "network disruption as a service" startups X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 21:48:27 -0000 --90e6ba1ef2ea4ce45d051132750e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That would be rather new and tricky legal territory. But even putting the legal issues to one side, there are definitional issues. For instance if the Chainalysis nodes started following the protocol specs better and became just regular nodes that happen to keep logs, would that still be a violation? If so, what about blockchain.info? It'd be shooting ourselves in the foot to try and forbid block explorers given how useful they are. If someone non-maliciously runs some nodes with debug logging turned on, and makes full system backups every night, and keeps those backups for years, are they in violation of whatever pseudo-law is involved? I think it's a bit early to think about these things right now. Michael Gr=C3=B8nager and Jan M=C3=B8ller have been Bitcoin hackers for a long time= . I'd be interested to know their thoughts on all of this. --90e6ba1ef2ea4ce45d051132750e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That would be rather new and tr= icky legal territory.=C2=A0

But even putting the legal issues to one side, there = are definitional issues.

For instance if the Chainalysis nodes started following = the protocol specs better and became just regular nodes that happen to keep= logs, would that still be a violation? If so, what about blockchain.info? It'd be shooting ourselves in th= e foot to try and forbid block explorers given how useful they are.

If someone no= n-maliciously runs some nodes with debug logging turned on, and makes full = system backups every night, and keeps those backups for years, are they in = violation of whatever pseudo-law is involved?

I think it's a bit early to thi= nk about these things right now. Michael Gr=C3=B8nager and Jan M=C3=B8ller = have been Bitcoin hackers for a long time. I'd be interested to know th= eir thoughts on all of this.
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