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Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0DD525F97F; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:30 +0000 From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> To: Tim Ruffing <crypto@timruffing.de> Message-ID: <ZTriqvhah23jBSFW@petertodd.org> References: <CANLPe+OQBsPiTrLEfz=SMxU8TkM_1XNfJQeq8gt2V6vDu=+Zxw@mail.gmail.com> <ZTaSwtvctmIiF74k@petertodd.org> <5f1ba40e6b853851112652b0da8eb7d35369af82.camel@timruffing.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zY8RZdFhdyu765aX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5f1ba40e6b853851112652b0da8eb7d35369af82.camel@timruffing.de> Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ordinals BIP PR X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:36 -0000 --zY8RZdFhdyu765aX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 06:32:47PM +0200, Tim Ruffing wrote: > On Mon, 2023-10-23 at 15:35 +0000, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > Thus > > we should limit BIP assignment to the minimum possible: _extremely_ > > widespread > > standards used by the _entire_ Bitcoin community, for the core > > mission of > > Bitcoin. >=20 > BIPs are Bitcoin Improvement *Proposals*. What you suggest would imply BIPs being proposals is itself part of the problem. Note how RFCs have a Dr= aft RFC system to avoid giving numbers for absolutely every idea. > that someone needs to evaluate them even before they become proposals. > And this raises plenty of notoriously hard to answers questions: > * Who is in charge? > * How to predict if a proposal will be a widespread standard? > * What is the core mission of Bitcoin? > * How to measure if something is for the core mission? > * Who and what is the _entire_ Bitcoin community? =2E..and we still face those problems with the current BIPs system. In part= icular the "Who is in charge?" problem. 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