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From: Brian Hoffman <brianchoffman@gmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 09:32:03 -0400
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To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed
	by Satoshi's PGP key?
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I would agree that the in person aspect of the WoT is frustrating, but to di=
smiss this as "geek wanking" is the pot calling the kettle.=20

The value of in person vetting of identity is undeniable. Just because your r=
isk acceptance is difference doesn't make it wanking. Please go see if you c=
an get any kind of governmental clearance of credential without in-person ve=
tting. Ask them if they accept your behavioral signature.=20

I know there is a lot of PGP hating these days but this comment doesn't nece=
ssarily apply to every situation.=20



> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> wrote:
>=20
>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:23 AM, Thomas Zander <thomas@thomaszander.se> w=
rote:
>> Any and all PGP related howtos will tell you that you should not trust or=
 sign
>> a formerly-untrusted PGP (or GPG for that matter) key without seeing that=

>> person in real life, verifying their identity etc.
>=20
> Such guidelines are a perfect example of why PGP WoT is useless and
> stupid geek wanking.
>=20
> A person's behavioural signature is what is relevant.  We know how
> Satoshi coded and wrote.  It was the online Satoshi with which we
> interacted.  The online Satoshi's PGP signature would be fine...
> assuming he established a pattern of use.
>=20
> As another example, I know the code contributions and PGP key signed
> by the online entity known as "sipa."  At a bitcoin conf I met a
> person with photo id labelled "Pieter Wuille" who claimed to be sipa,
> but that could have been an actor.  Absent a laborious and boring
> signed challenge process, for all we know, "sipa" is a supercomputing
> cluster of 500 gnomes.
>=20
> The point is, the "online entity known as Satoshi" is the relevant
> fingerprint.  That is easily established without any in-person
> meetings.
>=20
> --=20
> Jeff Garzik
> Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist
> BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/
>=20
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