Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4rKj-0002Mb-GF for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:55:21 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 74.125.82.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.45; envelope-from=pindar.wong@gmail.com; helo=mail-wg0-f45.google.com; Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com ([74.125.82.45]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z4rKh-0005Yn-Hz for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:55:21 +0000 Received: by wgbhy7 with SMTP id hy7so12892981wgb.2 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:55:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.82.162 with SMTP id j2mr7291993wiy.54.1434462913498; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.2.237 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:55:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150616133305.GA30988@muck> References: <20150616133305.GA30988@muck> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 21:55:13 +0800 Message-ID: From: Pindar Wong To: Peter Todd Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428804672e550518a2ec8f X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. 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This > could > > be arranged for this October, or earlier, if deemed necessary. > > Great! > > FWIW there Constance Choi and Primavera De Filippi (CC'd) are holding a > blockchain-tech conference October 14th-15th in Hong Kong as well; > coordinating your summit with that conference could be useful. > > http://blockchainworkshops.org/ > > This workshop series has been attracting audiences of people looking to > use blockchain tech in general; many of these use-cases will likely > involve the Bitcoin blockchain in unpredictable ways. Importantly, these > ways can drive demand significantly beyond our current assumptions based > on most demand being consumer-merchant transactions. > > In addition, many of the attendees have significant experience with > regulatory issues and interacting with governments on regulation of > blockchain tech. Bitcoin faces existential risks to its existence by > these regulation efforts, which include things like efforts to setup > industry wide Anti-Money-Laundering/Know-Your-Customer programs, > including programs that would tie on-chain transactions to identity > information. Any blocksize discussion needs to be informed by these > potential threats to usage of the technology, as well as challenges to > using scaling solutions. > > > Remote online participation would be welcome from those who might not be > > able to attend in person. > > > > However, it is hoped that such a meeting would be primarily document > > driven to facilitate orderly translation, discussion and decision. > > Agreed. Pieter Wuille's recent work is a great example of the kind of > science-driven investigations that need to be done - and haven't been > done very much - to get us some hard data to make decisions on. > Thank you very much Peter for pointing this out! That is very kind of you. It would be great to work with Constance Choi, Primavera De Filippi, your goodself and others to make this happen. As you may know, the Hong Kong Monetary Authority considers bitcoin a virtual 'commodity' and not a currency per se. Regards, p. > > -- > 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org > 0000000000000000127ab1d576dc851f374424f1269c4700ccaba2c42d97e778 > --f46d04428804672e550518a2ec8f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org&g= t; wrote:
On Tue,= Jun 16, 2015 at 08:33:31PM +0800, Pindar Wong wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:03 AM, Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org> wrote:
> Dear Adam, All:
>
> At the community's convenience, it would be an honour to arrange a= n initial
> open summit to meet with representatives of the Chinese miners in Hong= Kong
> (UTC+8) to facilitate a better understand between the different
> stakeholders of the Bitcoin ecosystem on this important issue.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0This could
> be arranged for this October, or earlier, if deemed necessary.

Great!

FWIW there Constance Choi and Primavera De Filippi (CC'd) are holding a=
blockchain-tech conference October 14th-15th in Hong Kong as well;
coordinating your summit with that conference could be useful.

http://blockchainworkshops.org/

This workshop series has been attracting audiences of people looking to
use blockchain tech in general; many of these use-cases will likely
involve the Bitcoin blockchain in unpredictable ways. Importantly, these ways can drive demand significantly beyond our current assumptions based on most demand being consumer-merchant transactions.

In addition, many of the attendees have significant experience with
regulatory issues and interacting with governments on regulation of
blockchain tech. Bitcoin faces existential risks to its existence by
these regulation efforts, which include things like efforts to setup
industry wide Anti-Money-Laundering/Know-Your-Customer programs,
including programs that would tie on-chain transactions to identity
information. Any blocksize discussion needs to be informed by these
potential threats to usage of the technology, as well as challenges to
using scaling solutions.

> Remote online participation would be welcome from those who might not = be
> able to attend in person.
>
> However,=C2=A0 it is hoped that such a meeting would be primarily docu= ment
> driven to facilitate orderly translation, discussion and decision.

Agreed. Pieter Wuille's recent work is a great example of the ki= nd of
science-driven investigations that need to be done - and haven't been done very much - to get us some hard data to make decisions on.

Thank you very much Peter for pointing this out! T= hat is very kind of you.

It would be great to work with = Constance Choi, Primavera De Filippi, your goodself and others to make this= happen.=C2=A0

As you may know, the Hong Kong Monetary Authority co= nsiders bitcoin a virtual 'commodity' and not a currency per se.
Regards,

p.
=C2=A0

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