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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:37:34 +0200
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From: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net>
To: Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Concerns Regarding Threats by a Developer
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>
> Or alternatively, fix the reasons why users would have negative
> experiences with full blocks
>

It's impossible, Mark. *By definition* if Bitcoin does not have sufficient
capacity for everyone's transactions, some users who were using it will be
kicked out to make way for the others. Whether that happens in some kind of
stable organised way or (as with the current code) a fairly chaotic way
doesn't change the fundamental truth: *some users will find their bitcoin
savings have become uneconomic to spend*.

Here's a recent user complaint that provides a preview of coming
attractions:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39r3bi/breadwallet_asking_me_to_pay_over_10_network_fee/

Hello, I'm just trying to send my small Sarutobi-tips stash (12,159 bits)
> onto a paper wallet. When I try to send it, a window pops up stating
> "insufficient funds for bitcoin network fee, reduce payment amount by 1,389
> bits?" This would be a fee of $0.32 to send my $2.82, leaving me with $2.50.


These sorts of complaints will get more frequent and more extreme in the
coming months. I realise that nobody at Blockstream is  in the position of
running an end user facing service, but many of us are .... and we will be
the ones that face the full anger of ordinary users as Bitcoin hits the
wall.

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ve experiences with full blocks</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>It&#39;s impossible, Mark. <i>By definition</i>=C2=A0if Bitcoi=
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sers who were using it will be kicked out to make way for the others. Wheth=
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t code) a fairly chaotic way doesn&#39;t change the fundamental truth: <b>s=
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 provides a preview of coming attractions:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=
=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39r3bi/breadwallet_asking_me_=
to_pay_over_10_network_fee/">https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39r3=
bi/breadwallet_asking_me_to_pay_over_10_network_fee/</a><br></div><div><br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
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olid;padding-left:1ex"><span style=3D"font-family:Verdana,arial,sans-serif;=
font-size:14px;line-height:18.2000007629395px">Hello, I&#39;m just trying t=
o send my small Sarutobi-tips stash (12,159 bits) onto a paper wallet. When=
 I try to send it, a window pops up stating &quot;insufficient funds for bi=
tcoin network fee, reduce payment amount by 1,389 bits?&quot; This would be=
 a fee of $0.32 to send my $2.82, leaving me with $2.50.</span></blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>These sorts of complaints will get more frequent and m=
ore extreme in the coming months. I realise that nobody at Blockstream is =
=C2=A0in the position of running an end user facing service, but many of us=
 are .... and we will be the ones that face the full anger of ordinary user=
s as Bitcoin hits the wall.</div></div></div></div>

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