Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC138BC2 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:43:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com (mail-wg0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F14620D for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgqq4 with SMTP id q4so106918699wgq.1 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 04:43:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=coaMLTg2q2v9aSgithmkuLL+npypXTSPmDstm8vZUIY=; b=hhniVT9JIR1HNqj1dbXhOijA0W6KN8sCAgIgCQ5X/63Adht1guvD9S1iYyUDRJVoRW XSnf4C6OWT9jLamwYLFEerhYOtYfJSG7aD0QvKXlu2OzlhptyHHllfEzoK8FmbhZINFb YaFGAfYX3gmhJHDgGRHBRcNOe2roE0xUL4f2RFqo6oDf9C7/codabQWpLQJlaBeZekYa 6A41kMcXL0XJ6Ajuy053/pCKjytCBGkp4Tw0zV5w38udLnXnToklNAEPnhhsOuTG2L/Y wpfOwSikrIV5Hbm4aJQYztBn0YnKJk+SpNmeTeRE8wBpHYRLtqWrmWFj0DBQHnUavl2j udFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQksYeAn2uK4NxjjY5Dbb86BRK4W01HIEhbVwlJ7vkHR2PKLzpP1iXfCa3phclGIfwoUANgd MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.120.198 with SMTP id le6mr11461912wjb.133.1435405435819; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 04:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.95.168 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 04:43:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1E68C70C-B33E-4414-B48B-7A497B59C893@gmail.com> References: <20150627074259.GA25420@amethyst.visucore.com> <20150627095501.C59B541A40@smtp.hushmail.com> <20150627100400.GC25420@amethyst.visucore.com> <20150627102912.06E2641A3E@smtp.hushmail.com> <1E68C70C-B33E-4414-B48B-7A497B59C893@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:43:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= To: Eric Lombrozo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] The need for larger blocks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:43:57 -0000 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Eric Lombrozo wrote: > The economic policy=E2=80=99s status quo has been to avoid fee pressure. = But the consensus status quo obviously is not to have a hard fork. > > There=E2=80=99s clearly a contradiction between these two policies, which= is a big part of the reason this issue has come to this point. These two p= olicies are fundamentally at odds. Ok, so then the decision is to either change a policy or change a consensus rule and then maintaining the status quo is simply not possible. Since per-node and per-wallet policies weren't universal anyway (nobody can be forced to run the standard policy), making some changes to the policy code of the different implementations that weren't prepared for the current consensus rules (that includes bitcoin core) seems orders of magnitude closer to "maintaining the status quo" than a hardfork. It's interesting to note that increasing the blocksize without fixing the underlying problems that make it a perceived "need" will leave the implementations unprepared for the new rules too (it is just unprepared for ANY block size limit, not specifically unprepared for 1MB blocks). So increasing the block size is actually the "lazy option" regardless of how the "doing nothing option" is perceived by many uninformed participants in the discussions. Then I guess by "maintaining the status quo" some people just mean "not fixing the known problems we have yet, leave it for later". Not only some people propose to delay solving this problems: they don't even want to be forced to fix them in 20 years! That...or they just want to remove the block size limit entirely forever, don't fear centralization, and are not being clear about it.