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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:41:50 -0700
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To: "Brent Shambaugh" <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
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Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin for W3C Payments Workshop,
 March 24-25
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I wish to state that I fundamentally disagree with this proposal of use
cases for W3C payments workshop.  Please read my following explanation an=
d
then do what you will:

At one time I was invited to join the Web Payments conference calls.  I
considered it and then declined due to the very CLAs that Brent mentioned
in the message that started this thread.

I was trying to remember the language that I objected to relating to the
W3C CLA.  Found it: https://web-payments.org/minutes/ As mentioned, I was
offered to join these calls but I declined due to, in part, the following=
:
Upon review of  the page at  web-payments.org, I noticed that it provides
a means to connect with web payments group by teleconference.  However,
there is an agreement that the site would require me to accept merely to
join the teleconference and collaborate with others in the web payments
group.  I would say "unfortunately," but in my case I will say
fortunately, I don't agree with the required agreement as shown here at
http://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/ which is shown as
follows at https://web-payments.org/minutes/ "There are no costs
associated with joining the group or limitations on who may join the
teleconference as long as they agree to the Web Payments community "

Some of the things I don't like about the proposed agreement /
"requirement" are fundamental.  At the core, it should be understood that
collaborative efforts, or teleconferences involving innovators who strive
to develop concepts for eventual development of a social good, for
example, should not be subject to a "requirement" that anyone agree to a
license in relation to their participation or contribution.  Such
"requirements" inhibit innovation and free thought.  For example, the web
payments group provides that in order for me to participate, I must first
"agree to license my Essential Claims under the W3C CLA RF Licensing
Requirements" and numerous other requirements.

Although I was interested in some sort of collaboration with the Web
Payments Community Group, these CLAs - lengthy, burdensome, and in my
personal view, highly dubious and potentially restricting with respect to
innovation and free thought - caused me to reconsider, and thus I will no=
t
be entering into web or telephone conferences or related collaborations
with the W3C / Web Payments folks until such time as they remove these
burdensome requirements which are applied merely to join a call.=EF=BB=BF

> Hello Bitcoiners,
>
> I have been working on some use cases for the W3C payments workshop. I'=
d
> like to include Bitcoin, but I might not have the time:
>
> Here is what I have:
>
> https://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/wiki/WebPaymentsMobileUseCases
>
> Which is editable with a w3c username and password. Just be a member of
> the
> webpayments community group: http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/
>
> More formally you can submit a pull request to:
>
> https://github.com/w3c-webmob/payments-use-cases
>
> -------------
>
> Due to discussions with others am attempting to apply the following
> template:
>
>
> Name: name of the solution
> Use Cases: Key use cases for the solution
> Regions and currencies: Any SDKs or APIs which are available to develop=
ers
>
> with the following things to consider (for use cases):
> (1) add real money to the service
> (2) buy a physical good in the real wold (e.g., a cup of coffee)
> (3) pay for physical service (e.g., gym membership)?
> (4) convert virtual money back into paper money
> (5) transfer money from one person to another (even if the second perso=
n
> is
> not signed up for the service)?
> (6) buy product online
> (7) resolve disputes?
> (8) view transactions?
> (9) secure the wallet
> (10) etc.
>
> Thanks for your time and have a great day!
>
> -Brent Shambaugh
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