Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <kravets@gmail.com>) id 1UsGZu-0000C4-E5 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:05:54 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.160.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.52; envelope-from=kravets@gmail.com; helo=mail-pb0-f52.google.com; Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com ([209.85.160.52]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1UsGZt-0001QO-8r for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:05:54 +0000 Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id xa12so1222212pbc.39 for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:05:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.166.232 with SMTP id zj8mr7394217pab.139.1372356347318; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.250.163 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:05:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAAS2fgTka6Dw94V0-vHBHxG=zadu9EmhKmfVm7Y_dQUUgrTf6w@mail.gmail.com> References: <1372353053.10405.140661249237317.77984E1F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <CAAS2fgTka6Dw94V0-vHBHxG=zadu9EmhKmfVm7Y_dQUUgrTf6w@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:05:47 -0700 Message-ID: <CALMbsiKaeUginqwM7ABRc9HoVmHd_VCH1e1P8gNkgHx0JKSy4w@mail.gmail.com> From: Alex Kravets <kravets@gmail.com> To: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc9c5e96571104e0269c2a X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (kravets[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1UsGZt-0001QO-8r Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 18:05:54 -0000 --047d7bdc9c5e96571104e0269c2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, This would be a big step forward. Anecdotally I can report that <5% of * non-nerds* who don't abandon Bitcoin after waiting for the initial blockchain download and *ongoing* sync on every restart, end up using blockchain.info simply because it just works and works on their iPads & iPhones. Conversely, all the serious nerds end up using Armory and/or Brainwallets for ultimate control. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>wrote= : > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Jim <jim618@fastmail.co.uk> wrote: > > Let me know if you think this is a good idea (or not!) > > and if you have any questions. > > Being able to promote a fast SPV desktop wallet would be great! > > I went through an cycle of testing on multibit after I saw some > complaints when it went up on the page before without at lot of > discussion. There were a number of issues with it at the time, in > particular the frequent deadlocks=E2=80=94 though Mike was saying that th= ose > should be fixed. > > I see some of the the other things that were concerning for me at the > time are still uncorrected though, e.g. no proxy support (so users > can't follow our recommended best practices of using it with Tor), > that it reuses addresses (esp for change), that it doesn't clearly > distinguish confirmation level. It also make repeated https > connections to 141.101.113.245? (I'm not seeing the IP in the source, > and it doesn't have a useful reverse dns entry, so I can't tell what > its for). Is there any timeframe for changing any of this stuff? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > --=20 Alex Kravets <http://www.linkedin.com/in/akravets> def redPill =3D ' Scala <http://www.scala-lang.org/> [[ brutal honesty <http://goo.gl/vwydt> is the best policy ]] --047d7bdc9c5e96571104e0269c2a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi guys,<div><br></div><div>This would be a big step forwa= rd. =C2=A0Anecdotally I can report that <5% of <i>non-nerds</i> who don&= #39;t abandon Bitcoin after waiting for the initial blockchain download and= <i>ongoing</i> sync on every restart, end up using <a href=3D"http://block= chain.info">blockchain.info</a> simply because it just works and works on t= heir iPads & iPhones.</div> <div><br></div><div style>Conversely, all the serious nerds end up using Ar= mory and/or Brainwallets for ultimate control.</div><div style><br></div><d= iv style><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"g= mail_quote"> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Gregory Maxwell <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:gmaxwell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gmaxwell@gmail.com</a>= ></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0= 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class=3D"im">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Jim <<a href=3D"mail= to:jim618@fastmail.co.uk">jim618@fastmail.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br> > Let me know if you think this is a good idea (or not!)<br> > and if you have any questions.<br> <br> </div>Being able to promote a fast SPV desktop wallet would be great!<br> <br> I went through an cycle of testing on multibit after I saw some<br> complaints when it went up on the page before without at lot of<br> discussion. There were a number of issues with it at the time, in<br> particular the frequent deadlocks=E2=80=94 though Mike was saying that thos= e<br> should be fixed.<br> <br> I see some of the the other things that were concerning for me at the<br> time are still uncorrected though, e.g. no proxy support (so users<br> can't follow our recommended best practices of using it with Tor),<br> that it reuses addresses (esp for change), that it doesn't clearly<br> distinguish confirmation level. It also make repeated https<br> connections to 141.101.113.245? (I'm not seeing the IP in the source,<b= r> and it doesn't have a useful reverse dns entry, so I can't tell wha= t<br> its for). =C2=A0Is there any timeframe for changing any of this stuff?<br> <div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---<br> This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows:<br> <br> Build for Windows Store.<br> <br> <a href=3D"http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev" target=3D"_blank">http://p.= sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev</a><br> _______________________________________________<br> Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-develo= pment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development= " target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de= velopment</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>= <a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/in/akravets" target=3D"_blank">Alex Krav= ets</a>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 def <span style=3D"color:rgb(204,0,0)">re= dPill</span> =3D '<a href=3D"http://www.scala-lang.org/" target=3D"_bla= nk">Scala</a><br> [[ <a href=3D"http://goo.gl/vwydt" target=3D"_blank">brutal honesty</a> is = the best policy ]]<br> </div> --047d7bdc9c5e96571104e0269c2a--