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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 06:48:54 -0500
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From: Brooks Boyd <boydb@midnightdesign.ws>
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:

> Or alternatively, fix the reasons why users would have negative
>> experiences with full blocks
>>
>
> It's impossible, Mark. *By definition* if Bitcoin does not have
> sufficient capacity for everyone's transactions, some users who were using
> it will be kicked out to make way for the others. Whether that happens in
> some kind of stable organised way or (as with the current code) a fairly
> chaotic way doesn't change the fundamental truth: *some users will find
> their bitcoin savings have become uneconomic to spend*.
>
> Here's a recent user complaint that provides a preview of coming
> attractions:
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39r3bi/breadwallet_asking_me_to_pay_over_10_network_fee/
>
> Hello, I'm just trying to send my small Sarutobi-tips stash (12,159 bits)
>> onto a paper wallet. When I try to send it, a window pops up stating
>> "insufficient funds for bitcoin network fee, reduce payment amount by 1,389
>> bits?" This would be a fee of $0.32 to send my $2.82, leaving me with $2.50.
>
>
>
Has there been any talk about reducing the time between blocks? If blocks
were allowed to come twice as fast, they would be able to clear pending
transactions in the mempool the same as if the block size doubled, but
would allow mining to stay more decentralized since miners wouldn't be
working on such large-scale blocks? It would still take more storage space
to store the blockchain, though.

Brooks

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On F=
ri, Jun 19, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-lef=
t-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Or alte=
rnatively, fix the reasons why users would have negative experiences with f=
ull blocks</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I=
t&#39;s impossible, Mark. <i>By definition</i>=C2=A0if Bitcoin does not hav=
e sufficient capacity for everyone&#39;s transactions, some users who were =
using it will be kicked out to make way for the others. Whether that happen=
s in some kind of stable organised way or (as with the current code) a fair=
ly chaotic way doesn&#39;t change the fundamental truth: <b>some users will=
 find their bitcoin savings have become uneconomic to spend</b>.</div><div>=
<b><br></b></div><div>Here&#39;s a recent user complaint that provides a pr=
eview of coming attractions:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://ww=
w.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/39r3bi/breadwallet_asking_me_to_pay_over_10=
_network_fee/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/=
39r3bi/breadwallet_asking_me_to_pay_over_10_network_fee/</a><br></div><div>=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-sty=
le:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style=3D"font-family:Verdana,arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:14px;line-height:18.2000007629395px">Hello, I&#39;m just tryi=
ng to send my small Sarutobi-tips stash (12,159 bits) onto a paper wallet. =
When I try to send it, a window pops up stating &quot;insufficient funds fo=
r bitcoin network fee, reduce payment amount by 1,389 bits?&quot; This woul=
d be a fee of $0.32 to send my $2.82, leaving me with $2.50.</span></blockq=
uote><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Has =
there been any talk about reducing the time between blocks? If blocks were =
allowed to come twice as fast, they would be able to clear pending transact=
ions in the mempool the same as if the block size doubled, but would allow =
mining to stay more decentralized since miners wouldn&#39;t be working on s=
uch large-scale blocks? It would still take more storage space to store the=
 blockchain, though.</div><div><br></div><div>Brooks</div></div></div></div=
>

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