Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RbcXR-00082H-Rj for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:29:45 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from nm28-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.35]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with smtp (Exim 4.76) id 1RbcXP-0000kX-Bp for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:29:45 +0000 Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm28.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 18:29:37 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.232] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 18:29:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2011 18:29:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 920881.91341.bm@omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 25136 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2011 18:29:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JJn9qEcVM1ngSHWIXxavvMUBVysYCNiKqo0cRPWLKLiIYc7 cL5dkYL9L_1ZLnNHgN9sNP7nuAbkmbkeWaXFzq_o3tn2Eoqyd.BbmprnXBHU hYFMlbpz.ijYCm_7KGG5OSTua74UJcnt4sCs0jFEa5K_JPxrTGFMoO9IDvUY 5trGVQUK.Qi.KZ6YEaWUePE5I1NA5aGAHlJOhcmGxDySsFeLQoo5qSFibgub Ioh9Bq8hsQw2xGCjtseud6Q6DvXtSdb1.GRcu5KIn1Wto1RAiYOF6vJyO9wg S11GKEqA_jQHoy7C5E_MsjZXxMhc6y7pBQL81OBBKacT4AXKNn7YBJMCn7NL 8WWsoVl7Oqj5hzJ7qrIzsN.1.vj3NvqTcwTamhFjeKk_cZGhwkh7r0W0e9_5 r40r8fRbcTCixBvhlfij6GDk_Ws7UA_YKkehOASf41yra6I9TXcv8gNr2tRf JDLdkvGuAldY- Received: from [2.97.168.202] by web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:29:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <1323731781.42953.YahooMailClassic@web120920.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <201112161710.15165.andyparkins@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1324060177.10146.YahooMailNeo@web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:29:37 -0800 (PST) From: Amir Taaki To: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="285087016-1047432035-1324060177=:10146" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (zgenjix[at]yahoo.com) -2.2 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 2.8 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO Reply-To/From or Reply-To/body contain different freemails -1.4 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Headers-End: 1RbcXP-0000kX-Bp Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15] Aliases X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Amir Taaki List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:29:45 -0000 --285087016-1047432035-1324060177=:10146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You have to be seriously joking to call the bitcoin protocol elegant. A mes= sage based system over TCP with constantly changing endians that needs to l= ookup its own IP address on several websites is not elegant. It is function= ing, not elegant.=0A=0AAlso it is kind of dick to come guns blaring and sta= rt insulting slush who runs one of the biggest mining pools and is working = on electrum, and sipa who develops the satoshi bitcoin.=0A=0AKhalahan said:= =0A=0A> Namecoin is a peer-to-peer generic name/value datastore system=0A= =0ANamecoin has the same problem as DNS. From the document:=0A=0A"The disad= vantage of DNS TXT records is that updating a record takes =0Atime. This en= courages people to not use new addresses per transaction =0Awhich has certa= in security issues."=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rick= Wesson =0ATo: Andy Parkins =0ACc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net =0ASent: Friday, D= ecember 16, 2011 5:41 PM=0ASubject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP 15]= Aliases=0A =0AIts a negative example -- in that the IETF does not specify = anything=0Ain the PATH part of the URI. The scheme, sure, but not in the pa= th,=0Athere are many types of URI schemes ( start with RFC 2396 )=0A=0ATher= e is significant upside to having your own scheme and having apps=0Aunderst= and how to integrate with it. Frankly, having just one client=0A(I understa= nd there are more) is an artifact that hinders acceptance=0Aand participati= on. If you want to go the route of https then=0Aspecifying a scheme is your= path forward=0A=0AI still believe that it is experience that is leading th= is thread down=0Athe rat-hole of CGI and HTTP requests. The stuff isn't mag= ic, it is=0Ajust what you are used to. Review the bitcoin protocol, there i= s an=0Aelegance there -- not found=A0 in the https schemes proposed thus fa= r.=0ACGI isn't a protocol, nor does it address usability/identity issues.= =0A=0AProviding a mapping from user@authority.tld addresses usability and= =0Aidentity. I'd like to see an elegant transformation, specifically I=0Ata= ke to task anyone that advocates=0Ahttps://authority/foo/user?tx=3D1zhd7896= 32uilos as elegant.=0A=0A-rick=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 9:10 AM, And= y Parkins wrote:=0A> On 2011 December 16 Friday, Ri= ck Wesson wrote:=0A>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM, slush wrote:=0A>> > I really like this proposal with standard URLs. All othe= r proposals like=0A>> > DNS mapping or email aliases converted to URLs with= some weird logic=0A>> > looks strange to me.=0A>>=0A>> wow, really. Maybe = you could review some RFCs, there are thousands of=0A>> examples where some= really smart engineers chose the exact opposite=0A>> path which you propos= e below.=0A>=0A> Could you point me at an example?=0A>=0A>=0A> Andy=0A>=0A>= --=0A> Dr Andy Parkins=0A> andyparkins@gmail.com=0A=0A--------------------= ----------------------------------------------------------=0ALearn Windows = Azure Live!=A0 Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011=0AMicrosoft is holding a special Learn= Windows Azure training event for =0Adevelopers. It will provide a great wa= y to learn Windows Azure and what it =0Aprovides. You can attend the event = by watching it streamed LIVE online.=A0 =0ALearn more at http://p.sf.net/sf= u/ms-windowsazure=0A_______________________________________________=0ABitco= in-development mailing list=0ABitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net=0Ah= ttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development --285087016-1047432035-1324060177=:10146 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You have t= o be seriously joking to call the bitcoin protocol elegant. A message based= system over TCP with constantly changing endians that needs to lookup its = own IP address on several websites is not elegant. It is functioning, not e= legant.

Also it is kind = of dick to come guns blaring and start insulting slush who runs one of the = biggest mining pools and is working on electrum, and sipa who develops the = satoshi bitcoin.

Khalahan said:
> Namecoin is a peer-to-peer generic name/v= alue datastore system

Namecoin has the same proble= m as DNS. From the document:

"The disadvantage of = DNS TXT records is that updating a record takes =0Atime. This encourages pe= ople to not use new addresses per transaction =0Awhich has certain security= issues."

From: Rick Wesson <rick@support-intelligence.com>
To: Andy Parkins <andyparkins@gmai= l.com>
Cc: bitcoin-= development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: [BIP= 15] Aliases
=0AIts a negative example -- in that the IETF = does not specify anything
in the PATH part of the URI. The scheme, sure,= but not in the path,
there are many types of URI schemes ( start with R= FC 2396 )

There is significant upside to having your own scheme and = having apps
understand how to integrate with it. Frankly, having just on= e client
(I understand there are more) is an artifact that hinders accep= tance
and participation. If you want to go the route of https then
sp= ecifying a scheme is your path forward

I still believe that it is ex= perience that is leading this thread down
the rat-hole of CGI and HTTP r= equests. The stuff isn't magic, it is
just what you are used to. Review = the bitcoin protocol, there is an
elegance there -- not found  in t= he https schemes proposed thus far.
CGI isn't a protocol, nor does it ad= dress usability/identity issues.

Providing a mapping from u= ser@authority.tld addresses usability and
identity. I'd like to see = an elegant transformation, specifically I
take to task anyone that advoc= ates
https://authority/foo/user?tx=3D1zhd789632uilos as elegant.=

-rick


On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Andy Parkins <= andyparkins@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011 December 16 Fri= day, Rick Wesson wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM, slush = <slush@centrum.cz> wrote:
>> > I really like this propos= al with standard URLs. All other proposals like
>> > DNS mappin= g or email aliases converted to URLs with some weird logic
>> >= looks strange to me.
>>
>> wow, really. Maybe you could review some RF= Cs, there are thousands of
>> examples where some really smart eng= ineers chose the exact opposite
>> path which you propose below.>
> Could you point me at an example?
>
>
> An= dy
>
> --
> Dr Andy Parkins
> andyparkins@gm= ail.com

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