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Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 02:11:33 -0700
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On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:30 AM Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> > It should be therefore a top priority to make the UX of connecting my
> mobile LN client to my home full node extremely easy, so that centralised
> services can't improve much on that step. Especially if I already run a
> full node.
>

There already is an emerging approach for this, called QuickConnect
https://github.com/BlockchainCommons/Bitcoin-Standup/blob/master/Docs/Quick=
-Connect-API.md

It is currently offered by BitcoinStandup (both Mac and Linux),
BTCPayServer, Nodl, MyNode, RaspiBlitz full node tools and hardware, and is
used currently by FullyNoded, FullyNoded2, and a couple of other
experimental apps to allow secure connection via Tor v3 from a remote to
your own personal full node.

We know that QuickConnect needs another major iteration and welcome
contributions to requirements and/or proposals for the next version.

We invite you to share your thoughts here.
https://github.com/BlockchainCommons/Bitcoin-Standup/issues/66

=E2=80=94 Christopher Allen

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:30 AM Keaga=
n McClelland via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxf=
oundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div>&gt; It should be therefore a top priority to make the UX =
of connecting my=20
mobile LN client to my home full node extremely easy, so that=20
centralised services can&#39;t improve much on that step. Especially if I=
=20
already run a full node.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font =
face=3D"arial, sans-serif">There already is an emerging approach for this, =
called QuickConnect <a href=3D"https://github.com/BlockchainCommons/Bitcoin=
-Standup/blob/master/Docs/Quick-Connect-API.md" target=3D"_blank">https://g=
ithub.com/BlockchainCommons/Bitcoin-Standup/blob/master/Docs/Quick-Connect-=
API.md</a></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></d=
iv><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">It is currently offered by Bitcoin=
Standup (both Mac and Linux), BTCPayServer, Nodl, MyNode, RaspiBlitz full n=
ode tools and hardware, and is used currently by FullyNoded, FullyNoded2, a=
nd a couple of other experimental apps to allow secure connection via Tor v=
3 from a remote to your own personal full node.=C2=A0</font></div><div><fon=
t face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, san=
s-serif">We know that QuickConnect needs another major iteration and welcom=
e contributions to requirements and/or proposals for the next version.</fon=
t></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font f=
ace=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(36,41,46)">We invite you=
 to share your thoughts here.=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://github.com/Blo=
ckchainCommons/Bitcoin-Standup/issues/66" target=3D"_blank">https://github.=
com/BlockchainCommons/Bitcoin-Standup/issues/66</a></font></div><div><br></=
div><div>=E2=80=94 Christopher Allen</div></div></div>

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