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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:33:38 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP 20 Rejected, process for BIP 21N
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Hi Amir,

>  All the HTML, URI and everything uses decimal numbers alone. I see no
reason for breaking with tradition.

excuse me if it was already discussed, but maybe using satoshis instead of
decimal bitcoin would be better choice? We all know about pains with proper
handling decimal numbers across of all implementations - and it's not only
about json-rpc.

Otherwise I agree, BIP 21 is better than BIP 20 because it's easier to
implement all points of the standard.

Best,
slush

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo.com> wrote:

> BIP 20 really has no support among implementations such as Bitcoin-Qt,
> Electrum, MultiBit or Bitcoin-JS. As the most active and visible user
> facing GUI projects (all with some form of URI Scheme), their opinion
> carries the most weight. To a lesser degree Bitcoin-Qt has the large
> majority of users too (although that's a line of reasoning I'd discourage).
>
> Normally we should probably Reject BIP 21 and re-submit a new standard
> (for history's sake), but as a) BIP 21 is largely a copy paste of BIP 20
> sans some sections b) it is still a draft, probably the best thing here is
> if you all agree on something to run it by BlueMatt and then we'll make it
> the new BIP 21.
>
> I can see a consensus forming on most parts. Just the send private key is
> contentious, and there's the topic of adding a time to expire field for
> merchants (this is a very good idea IMO).
>
> Also BIP 20 is problematic because it is incompatible with about every
> standard on the web. All the HTML, URI and everything uses decimal numbers
> alone. I see no reason for breaking with tradition. Note that everytime I
> have to write Color or Vectorize (as a British speaker) in my code, I die a
> little inside. But it's convention and American English = International
> English. Also it would be cool if all code used a *real* international
> language (like Esperanto) but the world ain't perfect! We live in a
> decimal-counting English-speaking Windows-using God-worshipping world!
>
> (no offense to decimal-counting English-speaking Windows-using
> God-worshipping world- I do half those things too :)
>
>
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Hi Amir,<div><br></div><div><div>&gt;=A0=A0All the HTML, URI and everything=
 uses decimal numbers alone. I see no reason for breaking with tradition.=
=A0</div></div><div><br></div><div>excuse me if it was already discussed, b=
ut maybe using satoshis instead of decimal bitcoin would be better choice? =
We all know about pains with proper handling decimal numbers across of all =
implementations - and it&#39;s not only about json-rpc.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Otherwise I agree, BIP 21 is better than BIP 20 because=
 it&#39;s easier to implement all points of the standard.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Best,</div><div>slush</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Amir Taaki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:zgenjix@yahoo.com">zgenjix@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">BIP 20 really has no support among implement=
ations such as Bitcoin-Qt, Electrum, MultiBit or Bitcoin-JS. As the most ac=
tive and visible user facing GUI projects (all with some form of URI Scheme=
), their opinion carries the most weight. To a lesser degree Bitcoin-Qt has=
 the large majority of users too (although that&#39;s a line of reasoning I=
&#39;d discourage).<br>


<br>
Normally we should probably Reject BIP 21 and re-submit a new standard (for=
 history&#39;s sake), but as a) BIP 21 is largely a copy paste of BIP 20 sa=
ns some sections b) it is still a draft, probably the best thing here is if=
 you all agree on something to run it by BlueMatt and then we&#39;ll make i=
t the new BIP 21.<br>


<br>
I can see a consensus forming on most parts. Just the send private key is c=
ontentious, and there&#39;s the topic of adding a time to expire field for =
merchants (this is a very good idea IMO).<br>
<br>
Also BIP 20 is problematic because it is incompatible with about every stan=
dard on the web. All the HTML, URI and everything uses decimal numbers alon=
e. I see no reason for breaking with tradition. Note that everytime I have =
to write Color or Vectorize (as a British speaker) in my code, I die a litt=
le inside. But it&#39;s convention and American English =3D International E=
nglish. Also it would be cool if all code used a *real* international langu=
age (like Esperanto) but the world ain&#39;t perfect! We live in a decimal-=
counting English-speaking Windows-using God-worshipping world!<br>


<br>
(no offense to=A0decimal-counting English-speaking Windows-using God-worshi=
pping world- I do half those things too :)<br>
<br>
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