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From: slush <slush@centrum.cz>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:37:43 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP0039 Mnemonic code for generating
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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Jorge Tim=F3n <jtimon@monetize.io> wrote:

> This will probably sound stupid to most of you, but I'll say it anyway.
>
> The aim of mnemonics is to easily remember, isn't it?
>

Well, I would say more "retype" than "remember". I really don't think that
common user will memorize it. But of course, it is still an option.


> But the approach of removing "offensive words" is probably
> counterproductive to achieving that end. These words cause a greater
> emotional impact in our human moral psyches.
>

No, I dont' think it is stupid! Actually it was my concern as well.
Unfortunately I don't think it is "politically correct" to include all
bitches, assholes and motherfuckers in end user product :-).


> If we were willing to use that fact in our advantage to optimize the
> "maximum unforgettableness" criterion, we should actually prefer the
> most generally offensive words in that list. Specially if they can
> combine with each other to produce more offensive results, basically
> the opposite of what we're doing.


> Isn't "legalize murder dirty jew" much easier to remember for most
> people than "sandwich house yellow cauliflower"?
>
>
Well, bip39 can have more dictionaries and *maybe* swearword dictionary
would gain some popularity ;).

slush

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Jorge Tim=F3n <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jtimon@monetize.io" target=3D"_blank">jtimon=
@monetize.io</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This will probably sound stupid to most of y=
ou, but I&#39;ll say it anyway.<br>
<br>
The aim of mnemonics is to easily remember, isn&#39;t it?<br></blockquote><=
div><br></div><div style>Well, I would say more &quot;retype&quot; than &qu=
ot;remember&quot;. I really don&#39;t think that common user will memorize =
it. But of course, it is still an option.</div>

<div style>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But the approach of removing &quot;offensive words&quot; is probably<br>
counterproductive to achieving that end. These words cause a greater<br>
emotional impact in our human moral psyches.<br></blockquote><div><br></div=
><div style>No, I dont&#39; think it is stupid! Actually it was my concern =
as well. Unfortunately I don&#39;t think it is &quot;politically correct&qu=
ot; to include all bitches, assholes and motherfuckers in end user product =
:-).</div>

<div style>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If we were willing to use that fact in our advantage to optimize the<br>
&quot;maximum unforgettableness&quot; criterion, we should actually prefer =
the<br>
most generally offensive words in that list. Specially if they can<br>
combine with each other to produce more offensive results, basically<br>
the opposite of what we&#39;re doing.=A0</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<br>
Isn&#39;t &quot;legalize murder dirty jew&quot; much easier to remember for=
 most<br>
people than &quot;sandwich house yellow cauliflower&quot;?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Well, bip39 can have more dictio=
naries and *maybe* swearword dictionary would gain some popularity ;).</div=
><div style>=A0</div><div style>slush</div></div></div></div>

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