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From: Tom Harding <tomh@thinlink.com>
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 08:05:11 -0700
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Committed bloom filters for improved wallet
 performance and SPV security
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On 3/15/2017 5:25 PM, bfd@cock.lu wrote:
> compact fraud proofs in Bitcoin aren't possible
> In the white paper SPV clients have the same security as fully
> validating nodes

In addition to not existing, if compact fraud proofs did exist, trying
to ensure they are seen by SPV clients has the same problems as BIP37.


> in the implementation of BIP37 they have absolutely no security except
> the vague hope that they are not being lied to, and that the chain
> with the most work they are seeing is actually valid, both are very
> weak assumptions.

Since real money is involved, the near total absence of documented fraud
along these lines belies the strong language.


> During the validationless mining failure around the BIP66 activation
> miners produced 6 invalid blocks in a chain, and many more invalid
> blocks in isolated bursts for a period lasting several months. Due to
> the instability of the network you are completely unreasonable to
> accept anything except multiple confirmations

This affected all users, not just SPV.