Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65C7B847 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:54:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ig0-f180.google.com (mail-ig0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90CAF202 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igui7 with SMTP id i7so291318igu.1 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:54:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ys4BorYf5TSRxEihDy0QJiA4AXQ46Gv7wJhocwPgw5c=; b=lmiPNrJFXFOOnLjRTFiJQB2DjVmHm4Rkhg/rGpvpmQKX5xze4svTYFeukXjuiBqykV 7x5Bw3I5gw9v8vAVxohse/UqCUUsdEBPdH/nCh3gAUrXGaMbT6UVrMaNFFvajql9IPks EgzaDvkjPh89Hq3yzvt+E7FGHmUM8dQb83sGrx4c5jdB5d2uywrIxI3GMZwSs0jrZfOP UnsHaPwBBlyRofVQV4DddwOI02Kysu7u0aLwNiNVbVrDyV+5aoi5qDsTUGtOxGqjXMzu VVdB8XJ1Q3ehqn2hxu/wfDUmERBURelhlxmx6JSW6qdfT0yfRdGm9M0gZCI7X7Ksvnyt OUJg== X-Received: by 10.50.43.131 with SMTP id w3mr4572220igl.8.1440021292056; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:54:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.16.197 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:54:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6DB69CF6-A97C-4E9F-90BE-50DD24EE6113@gmail.com> From: Nelson Castillo Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 16:54:22 -0500 Message-ID: To: bitdev@theochino.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfea1869509cf051db11593 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin-dev list etiquette X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:54:53 -0000 --047d7bfea1869509cf051db11593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > And this is why I love Bitcoin, politics + technical =3D all in one. > If you think developers do not talk politics go read LKML... Politics are inevitable. I think the "I don't know enough to code (Bitcoin) but I think that" belongs somewhere else (This is the -dev list). > > Regards, > Theo Chino > https://www.facebook.com/groups/557495624389384 (politics in NYS about > bitcoin.) > http://frenchmorning.com/en/2014/08/18/french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new-york > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> Haha. Reminds me of when I asked Gavin earlier this year about whether >> he cared about politics and he replied that he only cared about and >> was responsible for the technicals. Little did he know he would >> unwittingly become the technical enabler for Mike's political >> shenanigans. >> >> On 19 August 2015 at 21:19, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev >> wrote: >> > Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being >> governed >> > by those who are dumber. >> > - Plato >> > >> > On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo wrote= : >> > >> > Alex, >> > >> > With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin i= s >> not >> > technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to >> technical >> > discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is resolved= , >> even >> > technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s little= chance of >> > actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which in a space wh= ere >> everything >> > depends on consensus pretty much makes everything else moot. >> > >> > On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev >> > wrote: >> > >> > This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs >> would >> > sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it. So I'll just say it >> from >> > myself. >> > >> > There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months >> regarding >> > a hard fork with respect to block size. However the sheer volume of >> email >> > and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than technical >> has >> > rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose of technica= l >> > discussion related to Bitcoin development. Many of us share the blame >> for >> > letting the discourse run off topic to such a degree, and we hope that >> an >> > appeal for individual self restraint will allow this list to return to= a >> > higher signal-to-noise ratio. >> > -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to >> > technical development before sending it. >> > -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list regardin= g >> the >> > same topic. >> > This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on t= he >> > philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin. Although such a debate may be >> > worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion. Every >> email >> > you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their time as >> much >> > as you value yours. If your intended audience isn't really the >> majority of >> > them, perhaps private communication would be more appropriate. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Alex >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > bitcoin-dev mailing list >> > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > bitcoin-dev mailing list >> > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > --047d7bfea1869509cf051db11593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On W= ed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev &= lt;bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
And this is why = I love Bitcoin, politics + technical =3D all in one.
<= /div>

If you think developers do not = talk politics go read LKML... Politics are inevitable.
I thin= k the "I don't know enough to code (Bitcoin) but I think that"= ; belongs somewhere else (This is the -dev list).
=C2=A0

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
=
Haha. Reminds me of when I asked Gavin earli= er this year about whether
he cared about politics and he replied that he only cared about and
was responsible for the technicals. Little did he know he would
unwittingly become the technical enabler for Mike's political
shenanigans.

On 19 August 2015 at 21:19, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being go= verned
> by those who are dumber.
> - Plato
>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin i= s not
> technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to tech= nical
> discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is resolved= , even
> technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s little= chance of
> actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which in a space wh= ere everything
> depends on consensus pretty much makes everything else moot.
>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs wo= uld
> sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it.=C2=A0 So I'll ju= st say it from
> myself.
>
> There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months rega= rding
> a hard fork with respect to block size.=C2=A0 However the sheer volume= of email
> and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than technical= has
> rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose of technica= l
> discussion related to Bitcoin development.=C2=A0 Many of us share the = blame for
> letting the discourse run off topic to such a degree, and we hope that= an
> appeal for individual self restraint will allow this list to return to= a
> higher signal-to-noise ratio.
> -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to<= br> > technical development before sending it.
> -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list regardin= g the
> same topic.
> This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on t= he
> philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin.=C2=A0 Although such a debate m= ay be
> worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion.=C2=A0 E= very email
> you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their time as= much
> as you value yours.=C2=A0 If your intended audience isn't really t= he majority of
> them, perhaps private communication would be more appropriate.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org= /mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org= /mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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