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From: Jannes Faber <jannes.faber@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 16:30:04 +0200
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To: Sergio Demian Lerner <sergio.d.lerner@gmail.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Making AsicBoost irrelevant
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On 11 May 2016 at 16:18, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Jorge Tim=C3=B3n said..
> > What do you mean by "embrace" in the context of a patented optimization
> that one miner can prevent the rest from using?
>
> Everyone seems to assume that one ASIC manufacturer will get the advantag=
e
> of AsicBoost while others won't. If a patent license is non-exclusive, th=
en
> all can.
>
>

1. Whatever way you look at it, it will be an extra barrier of entry (cost,
legal hassle, more complex chip design) for any new ASIC manufacturer
trying to enter the market. That counters free competition and thus
decentralization.

2. Why would you want to put yourself in the central spot of the big
decider on who gets access to the technology (and therefore the whole
mining game) and who doesn't. You're not afraid of NSA knocking on your
door to politely hand you their blacklist? You don't think this counters
all the years of hard work that went into Bitcoin exactly to avoid any such
central points of authority?

P.S. I'm not decided yet on being for or against a HF to ban AsicBoost
myself, nor does my opinion count for much. But I think I do see real
problems, like the above.

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On 11 May 2016 at 16:18, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D=
"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Jorge Tim=C3=B3n said..<span c=
lass=3D""><br>&gt; What do you mean by &quot;embrace&quot; in the context o=
f a patented optimization that one miner can prevent the rest from using?<b=
r><br></span>Everyone seems to assume that one ASIC manufacturer will get t=
he advantage of AsicBoost while others won&#39;t. If a patent license is no=
n-exclusive, then all can.<br>=C2=A0<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">1. Whatever way you look at it, it will be an ex=
tra barrier of entry (cost, legal hassle, more complex chip design) for any=
 new ASIC manufacturer trying to enter the market. That counters free compe=
tition and thus decentralization.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">2=
. Why would you want to put yourself in the central spot of the big decider=
 on who gets access to the technology (and therefore the whole mining game)=
 and who doesn&#39;t. You&#39;re not afraid of NSA knocking on your door to=
 politely hand you their blacklist? You don&#39;t think this counters all t=
he years of hard work that went into Bitcoin exactly to avoid any such cent=
ral points of authority?<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">P.S. I&#39=
;m not decided yet on being for or against a HF to ban AsicBoost myself, no=
r does my opinion count for much. But I think I do see real problems, like =
the above.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div></div>

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