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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:09:41 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: remove "getwork" RPC from
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I strongly object to removing the only mechanism that allows anyone to say
that bitcoin is p2p, in the truest sense of the word. Moves like this that
favor only the pool operators and private mining interests are signs that
bitcoin is headed towards a monopoly/cartel model, and that would be a
tragic outcome for something that holds a great promise. Nobody knows what
mining will look like in the future, and denying the individual novice the
ability to mine at a small scale, even if we may think it is inefficient
now, is not a good path to start down.

If there are technical problems with getwork, maybe they should be
addressed and fixed instead of outright abandoned.


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> wrote:

> Pull request https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2905 proposes to
> remove "getwork" RPC from bitcoind: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getwork
>
> On mainnet, almost everybody uses a pool (and therefore, not "getwork"
> directly to bitcoind).  Those few who solo mine use a pool server to
> talk to bitcoind via "getblocktemplate" or other means.  Tests show
> that attempts to solo mine on mainnet via "getwork" lead to delays and
> problems.
>
> On testnet, getwork has a better chance of continuing to work.
> Nevertheless, the same tools (open source pool servers or p2pool) are
> available for testnet, obviating the continued need to support
> getwork.
>
> However, at one time, getwork to bitcoind was widely used.  I wanted
> to poke the audience, to gauge response to removing "getwork."  If a
> driving use case remains of which we're unaware, speak up, please.  We
> don't want to break anybody needlessly.
>
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> BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I strongly object to removing the only mechanism that allo=
ws anyone to say that bitcoin is p2p, in the truest sense of the word. Move=
s like this that favor only the pool operators and private mining interests=
 are signs that bitcoin is headed towards a monopoly/cartel model, and that=
 would be a tragic outcome for something that holds a great promise. Nobody=
 knows what mining will look like in the future, and denying the individual=
 novice the ability to mine at a small scale, even if we may think it is in=
efficient now, is not a good path to start down.<div>
<br></div><div>If there are technical problems with getwork, maybe they sho=
uld be addressed and fixed instead of outright abandoned.</div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 19, 201=
3 at 11:27 AM, Jeff Garzik <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jgarzik@=
bitpay.com" target=3D"_blank">jgarzik@bitpay.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Pull request <a href=3D"https://github.com/b=
itcoin/bitcoin/pull/2905" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/bitcoin/bitc=
oin/pull/2905</a> proposes to<br>

remove &quot;getwork&quot; RPC from bitcoind: <a href=3D"https://en.bitcoin=
.it/wiki/Getwork" target=3D"_blank">https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getwork</a><=
br>
<br>
On mainnet, almost everybody uses a pool (and therefore, not &quot;getwork&=
quot;<br>
directly to bitcoind). =A0Those few who solo mine use a pool server to<br>
talk to bitcoind via &quot;getblocktemplate&quot; or other means. =A0Tests =
show<br>
that attempts to solo mine on mainnet via &quot;getwork&quot; lead to delay=
s and<br>
problems.<br>
<br>
On testnet, getwork has a better chance of continuing to work.<br>
Nevertheless, the same tools (open source pool servers or p2pool) are<br>
available for testnet, obviating the continued need to support<br>
getwork.<br>
<br>
However, at one time, getwork to bitcoind was widely used. =A0I wanted<br>
to poke the audience, to gauge response to removing &quot;getwork.&quot; =
=A0If a<br>
driving use case remains of which we&#39;re unaware, speak up, please. =A0W=
e<br>
don&#39;t want to break anybody needlessly.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jeff Garzik<br>
Senior Software Engineer and open source evangelist<br>
BitPay, Inc. =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"https://bitpay.com/" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://bitpay.com/</a><br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div style=
=3D"text-align:left"><b><span style=3D"font-size:xx-large">MONEY IS OVER!</=
span></b></div><div><div style=3D"text-align:left"><span style=3D"font-size=
:x-small">=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0<a href=3D"http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/" target=3D"_blank">IF YOU WANT=
 IT</a></span></div>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D<br>The causes of my servitude can be traced to the tyranny of mon=
ey.<br>-Serj Tankian</div>
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