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From: Peter Vessenes <peter@coinlab.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:01:11 +0900
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Reconsidering block version number use
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I think it would be great to have more nonce space with less merkle
calculation; keeping track of all possible versions of a block already
takes real RAM, real computation. Being able to change one bit in the
header and send out a new block for checking would ease our pool server
work by a real amount, somewhat on the work generation side, but also on
the checking old work side; we'll have a lot fewer unique transaction /
coinbase sets to hold on to for checking when we get back a solution.

Peter


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:

> > That'd be 7 bytes of nonce in the block header, which is
> >   72,057,594,037,927,936  ~ 72 petahashes = 72,000 terahashes
> >
> > So: the changes for version 2 blocks would be "has height in the
> > coinbase, and has a 1-byte version number with a 3-byte extranonce."
>
> I don't understand why more nonce bits are necessary. Is it really
> impossible for a multi-core CPU to keep up with the merkle root
> re-calculation and keep an ASIC miner fed, or is this working around a
> performance bottleneck somewhere else?
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I think it would be great to have more nonce space with less merkle calcula=
tion; keeping track of all possible versions of a block already takes real =
RAM, real computation. Being able to change one bit in the header and send =
out a new block for checking would ease our pool server work by a real amou=
nt, somewhat on the work generation side, but also on the checking old work=
 side; we&#39;ll have a lot fewer unique transaction / coinbase sets to hol=
d on to for checking when we get back a solution.<div>

<br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Mike Hearn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:mike@plan99.net" target=3D"_blank">mike@plan99.net</a>&gt;</span=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">&gt; That&#39;d be 7 bytes=
 of nonce in the block header, which is<br>
&gt; =A0 72,057,594,037,927,936 =A0~ 72 petahashes =3D 72,000 terahashes<br=
>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So: the changes for version 2 blocks would be &quot;has height in the<=
br>
&gt; coinbase, and has a 1-byte version number with a 3-byte extranonce.&qu=
ot;<br>
<br>
</div>I don&#39;t understand why more nonce bits are necessary. Is it reall=
y<br>
impossible for a multi-core CPU to keep up with the merkle root<br>
re-calculation and keep an ASIC miner fed, or is this working around a<br>
performance bottleneck somewhere else?<br>
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