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From: Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 00:40:48 +0000
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 4rd Meeting,
 Tuesday 21 Feb. 18:00 UTC
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Reminder: this is happening this _upcoming_ Tuesday.

Looking forward to the fourth session to roam over things like anyprevout,
the annex, vault primitive, annexcarrier!

Issue opened if anyone would like to propose an agenda topic:
https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues/34

Best,
Antoine

Le mer. 8 f=C3=A9vr. 2023 =C3=A0 01:59, Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail.=
com> a
=C3=A9crit :

> Hi list,
>
> I'm proposing Tuesday 21st February at 18:00, i.e 2 weeks from now for th=
e
> 4th Bitcoin contracting primitives WG meeting (the third Tuesday of
> February month, as done previously).
>
> As mentioned during the previous session, there is an issue if anyone
> would like to propose an agenda topic in advance in an open fashion:
> https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues/34
>
> I would like to propose 2 topics for this upcoming meeting.
>
> Firstly, ANYPREVOUT / "Eltoo", there has been a work in progress during
> the last year for eltoo lightning channels [0]. I think there are still f=
ew
> high-level open questions around fee-bumping and watchtowers, how the
> proposal would benefit other off-chain constructions, how the proposal
> works compared to other update mechanisms and a bunch of other things.
>
> Secondly, if there is sufficient interest, setting up an open meatspace
> event during S2 2023 or S1 2024. Meatspace events can be a great thing to
> accelerate the development pace of contracting protocols. From my
> experience in-person whiteboard sessions are highly valuable to sync on
> complex subjects and it has been already evoked in the context of this
> community process. Ideally, the event would piggyback on some existing
> bitcoin conference. And I would see this as complementary to the other
> bitcoin engineering meetings we've already scheduled, just open contracti=
ng
> primitives R&D to a large set of people beyond the usual crowd contributi=
ng
> already to Bitcoin Core [1].
>
> If we have time remaining, we could listen to everyone blockers in their
> contracting primitives/covenant research.
>
> Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat
> IRC. Logs of the previous session are available here [2].
>
> If you have any questions or feedback, I'm staying responsive.
>
> Cheers,
> Antoine
>
> [0]
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2022-December/0=
03788.html
> [1] In term of janitorial role decentralization, I think it would be
> valuable to have the event organization carried on by someone else reliab=
le
> other than myself. Contributed to CoreDev Zurich 2021 organisation, so I
> can share the operational practices.
> [2]
> https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/blob/main/mee=
tings/meetings-17-01.md
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Reminder: this is happening this _upcoming_ Tuesday.<div><=
br></div><div>Looking forward to the fourth session to roam over things lik=
e anyprevout, the annex, vault primitive, annexcarrier!</div><div><br></div=
><div>Issue opened if anyone would like to propose an agenda topic:</div><d=
iv><a href=3D"https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/i=
ssues/34">https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issue=
s/34</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Antoine</div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Le=C2=A0=
mer. 8 f=C3=A9vr. 2023 =C3=A0=C2=A001:59, Antoine Riard &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:antoine.riard@gmail.com">antoine.riard@gmail.com</a>&gt; a =C3=A9crit=C2=
=A0:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi list,<div><br></div><div=
>I&#39;m proposing Tuesday 21st February at 18:00, i.e 2 weeks from now for=
 the 4th Bitcoin contracting primitives WG meeting (the third Tuesday of Fe=
bruary month, as done previously).</div><div><br></div><div>As mentioned du=
ring the previous session, there is an issue if anyone would like to propos=
e an agenda topic in advance in an open fashion:</div><div><a href=3D"https=
://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues/34" target=3D=
"_blank">https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues=
/34</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I would like to propose 2 topics for t=
his upcoming meeting.</div><div><br></div><div>Firstly, ANYPREVOUT / &quot;=
Eltoo&quot;, there has been a work in progress during the last year for elt=
oo lightning channels [0]. I think there are still few high-level open ques=
tions around fee-bumping and watchtowers, how the proposal would benefit ot=
her off-chain constructions, how the proposal works compared to other updat=
e mechanisms=C2=A0and a bunch of other things.</div><div><br></div><div>Sec=
ondly, if there is sufficient interest, setting up an open meatspace event =
during S2 2023 or S1 2024. Meatspace events can be a great thing to acceler=
ate the development pace of contracting protocols. From my experience in-pe=
rson whiteboard sessions are highly valuable to sync on complex subjects an=
d it has been already evoked in the context of this community process. Idea=
lly, the event would piggyback on some existing bitcoin conference. And I w=
ould see this as complementary to the other bitcoin engineering meetings we=
&#39;ve already scheduled, just open contracting primitives R&amp;D to a la=
rge set of people beyond the usual crowd contributing already to Bitcoin Co=
re [1].</div><div><br></div><div>If we have time remaining, we could listen=
 to everyone blockers in their contracting primitives/covenant research.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitiv=
es-wg on Libera Chat IRC. Logs of the previous session are available here [=
2].</div><div><br></div><div>If you have any questions or feedback, I&#39;m=
 staying responsive.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Antoine</di=
v><div><br></div><div>[0]=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org=
/pipermail/lightning-dev/2022-December/003788.html" target=3D"_blank">https=
://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2022-December/003788.h=
tml</a></div><div>[1] In term of janitorial role decentralization, I think =
it would be valuable to have the event organization carried on by someone e=
lse reliable other than myself. Contributed to CoreDev Zurich 2021 organisa=
tion, so I can share the operational practices.</div><div>[2]=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/blob/main/m=
eetings/meetings-17-01.md" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/ariard/bitc=
oin-contracting-primitives-wg/blob/main/meetings/meetings-17-01.md</a></div=
><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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