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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:20:25 -0400
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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail.com>
To: Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Separated bitcoin-consensus mailing list (was Re:
 Bitcoin XT Fork)
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bitcoin-dev for protocol discussion and bitcoin-core for Bitcoin Core
discussion?

As Jorge notes, a general discussion list has existed for a long time with
little use.


On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3n <jtimon@jtimon.cc> wrot=
e:
>
>> Apparently that existed already:
>> http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/
>> But technical people run away from noise while non-technical people
>> chase them wherever their voices sounds more loud.
>>
>
> Regarding disruptors, if there are clear rules about what is acceptable o=
n
> -dev, one can simply moderate out offenders. It's absolutely necessary we
> have a forum where we can share and discuss purely academic and technical
> matters. No-one can accuse censorship because all moderation would say
> would be to "take it to the other list". It's essential for all people wh=
o
> are developing and maintaining Bitcoin protocol software, or services tha=
t
> rely on it. The mailing list used to be very low volume.
>
> While we are at it, we should also think about a bitcoin-announce read
> only list which consumers of Bitcoin Core can subscribe for announcements
> about new versions of Bitcoin Core, and any critical warnings. Miners and
> service providers would particularly benefit from this. The list is
> moderated so only say Bitcoin Core commit engineers are allowed to post.
>
>
>> One thing that I would like though, is separating Bitcoin
>> Core-specific development from general bips and consensus discussions.
>>
>
> The potential downside is too much separation becomes confusing although =
I
> would not oppose such a change. My own suggestion would be try just a -de=
v
> and -discuss list and see how that goes first. It used to work well.
> Whatever the case I am very confident we need a general discussion mailin=
g
> list.
>
>
>
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> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
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<div dir=3D"ltr">bitcoin-dev for protocol discussion and bitcoin-core for B=
itcoin Core discussion?<div><br></div><div>As Jorge notes, a general discus=
sion list has existed for a long time with little use.</div><div><br></div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug=
 19, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoi=
n-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><span class=3D"">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jtimon@jtimon.cc" target=3D"_blan=
k">jtimon@jtimon.cc</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>Apparently that existed already: <a href=3D"http://sourceforge.net/p/bitco=
in/mailman/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://sourceforge.net/p/=
bitcoin/mailman/</a><br>
But technical people run away from noise while non-technical people<br>
chase them wherever their voices sounds more loud.<br></blockquote><div><br=
></div></span><div>Regarding disruptors, if there are clear rules about wha=
t is acceptable on -dev, one can simply moderate out offenders. It&#39;s ab=
solutely necessary we have a forum where we can share and discuss purely ac=
ademic and technical matters. No-one can accuse censorship because all mode=
ration would say would be to &quot;take it to the other list&quot;. It&#39;=
s essential for all people who are developing and maintaining Bitcoin proto=
col software, or services that rely on it. The mailing list used to be very=
 low volume.</div><div><br></div><div>While we are at it, we should also th=
ink about a bitcoin-announce read only list which consumers of Bitcoin Core=
 can subscribe for announcements about new versions of Bitcoin Core, and an=
y critical warnings. Miners and service providers would particularly benefi=
t from this. The list is moderated so only say Bitcoin Core commit engineer=
s are allowed to post.=C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><div>=C2=A0</div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">
One thing that I would like though, is separating Bitcoin<br>
Core-specific development from general bips and consensus discussions.<br><=
/blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>The potential downside is too much s=
eparation becomes confusing although I would not oppose such a change. My o=
wn suggestion would be try just a -dev and -discuss list and see how that g=
oes first. It used to work well. Whatever the case I am very confident we n=
eed a general discussion mailing list.</div></div><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br></div></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.=
linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail=
man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>

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