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From: Btc Drak <btcdrak@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:37:33 +0100
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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship
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While this topic is very interesting, I do not see how it is relevant
to a mailing list dedicated to technical and academic debate. Please
can you take this discussion elsewhere.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Zach G via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> When I say de-centralized I mean it, all the things you listed are
> centralized. Reddit is actually a purely centralized system and just as
> unhealthy as the current bitcoin forum. We have the technology, I'm simply
> putting together the pieces that other people have already built. This forum
> will literally be uncontrollable in raw form, once it's unleashed it can't
> be stopped. It will exist on thousands of computers so it cannot be
> destroyed, it will not be centrally hosted.
>
> I expect users to create their own external software to parse the data, so
> people can centralize as much or as little as they want in their own
> 'sub-forums' built on this system. I will be releasing some very rudimentary
> external software/website to go along with this de-centralized system just
> so people can post and read what's posted, and will worry about the finer
> details at a later time.
>
> There will be various leaders who utilize this program and organize quality
> forums, but fundamentally the raw de-centralized system cannot be
> controlled, so people posting to it will always have a venue to speak
> without being censored.
>
> I actually started this project to create a journal of uncensored scientific
> research, but it didn't take long to realize this sort've thing is useful
> for pretty much everyone, so I'm rushing the basic release out. Then I will
> work on making my science journal 'sub-forum' software and everyone else can
> do whatever they want.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NxtChg <nxtchg@hush.com>
> To: hurricanewarn1 <hurricanewarn1@aol.com>; bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 4:45 am
> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship
>
>
>>I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly decentralized as I
>> nor
> anyone else will be able to control it.
>
> Zander is working on the same thing:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/AetheralResearch/
>
> But it's actually quite difficult
> to make it truly censorship-resistant: both in solving the theymos factor
> and
> spam/abuse/overloading as an attack.
>
>
>>There is no doubt that the
> centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin community is massively
> inhibiting
> the advance of Bitcoin
>>and also the growth of the Bitcoin economy. We are
> scaring away intellectuals, businessman, and newbies that are just getting
> started.
>
> We have /r/bitcoinxt and so far it has been great. But we also need
> a regular forum.
>
> Roger Ver controls bitcoin.com, as I understand?
> https://bitcoin.com/forum/ would be nice.
>
> And it must be a real community,
> not "say whatever you want because free speech". We've seen how that turned
> out
> to be.
>
> Something like battle.net or Steam forums: heavily moderated, not for
> opinions, but for spam/noise/insults.
>
> Again, this needs leadership. Anyone
> can install a forum software, what is needed is an "official seal of
> approval"
> and regular presence of top XT people there.
>
> And a will to setup proper
> moderation. Then people will move.
>
>
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