From: "Luke-Jr" <luke@dashjr.org>
To: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:44:03 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Payment Protocol Proposal:
	Invoices/Payments/Receipts
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On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:16:07 AM Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org> wrote:
> > On Monday, November 26, 2012 11:32:46 PM Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> >> Would you find it acceptable if something supported a static whitelist
> >> plus a OS provided list minus a user configured blacklist and the
> >> ability for sophisticated users to disable the whitelist?
> > 
> > How is this whitelist any different from the list of CAs included by
> > default with every OS?
> 
> Because the list is not identical (and of course, couldn't be without
> centralizing control of all OSes :P ) meaning that the software has to
> be setup in a way where false-positive authentication failures are a
> common thing (terrible for user security) or merchants have to waste a
> bunch of time, probably unsuccessfully, figuring out what certs work
> sufficiently 'everwhere' and likely end up handing over extortion
> level fees to the most well established CAs that happen to be included
> on the oldest and most obscure things.

There is a common subset of CAs which are included in all OSs.
That's the "whitelist equivalent". We or someone else could even setup a list 
of these common CAs for merchants if that is needed.

The fees CAs charge for certs is a flaw in the CA model in general, I don't 
see that it's important for us to solve it.