Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sh3Bc-0005Uz-Pl for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:29:56 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; envelope-from=socrates1024@gmail.com; helo=mail-wg0-f53.google.com; Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Sh3BZ-0008Sb-R7 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:29:56 +0000 Received: by wgbfm10 with SMTP id fm10so6014832wgb.10 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:29:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.195 with SMTP id k45mr10615132wea.40.1340130585946; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: socrates1024@gmail.com Received: by 10.217.2.207 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:29:45 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AI5yLl8pCB0UAjJSBFhkMsY85II Message-ID: From: Andrew Miller To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (socrates1024[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (socrates1024[at]gmail.com) 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Sh3BZ-0008Sb-R7 Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Ultimate Blockchain Compression w/ trust-free lite node X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:29:56 -0000 Alan Reiner wrote: > A PATRICIA tree/trie would be ideal, in my mind, as it also has a > completely deterministic structure, and is an order-of-magnitude more > space-efficient. =A0Insert, delete and query times are still O(1). > However, it is not a trivial implementation. =A0I have occasionally looke= d > for implementations, but not found any that were satisfactory. PATRICIA Tries (aka Radix trees) have worst-case O(k), where k is the number of bits in the key. Notice that since we would storing k-bit hashes, the number of elements must be less than 2^k, or else by birthday paradox we would have a hash collision! So O(log N) <=3D O(k). You're right, though, that such a trie would have the property that any two trees containing the same data (leaves) will be identical. I can't think of any reason why this is useful, although I am hoping we can figure out what is triggering your intuition to desire this! I am indeed assuming that the tree will be incrementally constructed according to the canonical (blockchain) ordering of transactions, and that the balancing rules are agreed on as part of the protocol. --=20 Andrew Miller