Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B8FC002D for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2022 14:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58834042F for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2022 14:48:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org B58834042F Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=q32-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@q32-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 header.b=us9yu823 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZlpwdif2WOI for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2022 14:48:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org A1EFE4035A Received: from mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com (mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2a]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1EFE4035A for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2022 14:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com with SMTP id i15so6830922vka.0 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 06:48:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=q32-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=pOMzQYkFNjUGyIL0yRzFBSWKg9sT9xSL5VcS9bLupvo=; b=us9yu823tlSWFCoBvnpnjH6E33ZUPZDmBMKuxK5cHJV3oeY22JSTdyBFl4Ds1w7z+2 3y8/RWBiXDMxAo2smLYABbLqHFaAqA6Z0BpSudRA9bOlu3sXP2FeDP1pYvvqzFBtevy3 WpKEzzOxMHm0sncacUiz5R9uiwkjITx0DtxCHA+lZ2EnQC42MSq+Yr+bVrlcCwzirVdS OCpIYQ654dGf0BZXRaWLV4tSDF4DTBxRoGaIOrXVIRy5VpeARr6J2IoxKI4Tudemma1V hvtFJmZIhU7tCQCUZtDCnGJW+qN0yhH83bnH5ze5qQXVv4rNSGkW0VcBFgYDdHPoVrw9 g2SQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=pOMzQYkFNjUGyIL0yRzFBSWKg9sT9xSL5VcS9bLupvo=; b=PdZDtzIxF5DouGcx5HQYN+IhLukmXnVU3B0wmw8gvrBDrM7ej+giSWO335nDrp1WRk w+Ljzzm4x5tO98y9DpgqIA+dXC8D3PIBFl6Ve8PXnH/rcpKEUSX7lZI/3ePL1KG2VkF1 yKH7c9uSZWx9/QInMfsBtRc9ulcpA4irfNYoiWQGESxvU59TKa0wdnwYQ0fDnt0M0r5U U5gKDmu6zjl/45NpRP4S8a8kvsgu8b8P65YnXrLT5RGswkoVtvAfdXYfftoP1eebqKAk Q9n7yzs+DZaeDQlXkzjfwpcrIQUCwbK5i27XjUv5UV5hpKaCYIbEKMA11B6lF+cgI0zE T6dQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3FCjEMdic6NObvrgSt3Oqot9pOU5abIbP0en2i/SOYfl8zHN9N IGmeErMwNI54Bt/p0Y5yR8HfDAZDcnGyj5xEFj6gksCdfp6l X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5Ek1WBWr5gjhJhg++Km0Rb/gloKFfGXX3REwu7R7NcMJF2iIGAtmpofb7pgLWwwUJEFWNMUN7eJZQo6l643iw= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:e1c2:0:b0:3b8:ae7a:7588 with SMTP id y185-20020a1fe1c2000000b003b8ae7a7588mr6828611vkg.16.1667832480375; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 06:48:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <16eb6a50691ccc661310051de6b8e2c0@yancy.lol> <0A6B5781-EBC6-4D98-8AE8-43436B5F73EA@petertodd.org> In-Reply-To: <0A6B5781-EBC6-4D98-8AE8-43436B5F73EA@petertodd.org> From: Erik Aronesty Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2022 09:47:50 -0500 Message-ID: To: Peter Todd , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000089aae605ece2826c" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Nov 2022 14:59:01 +0000 Cc: Anthony Towns Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] On mempool policy consistency X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2022 14:48:03 -0000 --00000000000089aae605ece2826c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > With full-rbf, who saw what transaction first doesn't matter: the higher > fee paying transaction will always(*) replace the lower fee one. With > opt-in RBF, spamming the network can beat out the alternative. > incentivised predictability is critical when designing low level protocols, like bitcoin. the knock-on effects of deeper, network-wide predictability are likely beneficial in ways that are hard to predict. for example stuff like the "sabu" protocol might even work if full-rbf is the norm. --00000000000089aae605ece2826c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

With full-rbf, who saw what transaction first doesn&= #39;t matter: the higher fee paying transaction will always(*) replace the = lower fee one. With opt-in RBF, spamming the network can beat out the alter= native.

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